[Peugeot-L] 84 505 clutch master r&r

From: kenneth parker <elkeni_at_mac.com>
Date: 01/24/05

        In spite of the fact that I share both a nationality and culture with the late Harry Houdini I find that I am virtually solution-free when it comes to figuring out how, other than cut that easy access hole in the fender well, to gain access to my clutch master on my 84 505 STI. I think it would be easier for me to have my hands tied, be placed in a locked trunk and submerged in a tank of water and expected to free myself than to remove and replace the clutch master on my car.

        Maybe my 505 is different than all others and my clutch master, knowing that I am out to get it, has huddled up closer to the brake vac unit in an attempt to hide from my flare nut wrench and my 11mm 1/4 inch drive snap-on universal socket. Thus the question: "Why is this car different than all others?"

	Questions are:
		1.  Who in Peugeot's cadre of genius engineers decided on the 
placement of the clutch master, where do they live and how many body guards has Peugeot alloted him/her?

                2. Truly, how on earth does one gain access to the cylinder?

                3. What about cutting that access door out? I have a nice die grinder, cut-off wheels and my other 505 has a nice neat flap (it is cut on three sides and it came that way, I didn't do the cutting) already there so I could easily measure and replicate the cuts.

        I could do the job Stevie Wonder style with 12 feet of extensions and a universal socket and maybe remove (and probably lose) the nuts that secure the unit, but how on earth could I start the nuts on the studs without being able to see or feel where the nuts go? This blind technique has "cross-threading" written all over it.

         As for loosening the line that runs to the slave, I would have to cut my hand into little lengthwise strips to be able to simply touch the fitting, not to mention figure out a way to get a flarenut wrench, or even one of those Snap-on 3/8 drive flarenut ends, to fit on the fitting. Then there is the fact that since there appears to be no direct access to the fitting that removing such a fitting at a weird angle is the usual Peugeot "recipe for disaster."

        I always try to do these jobs the "right" way, but doing this one the right way will probably result in my ending up catatonic and inpatient in a state psychiatric facility. Bleeding the slave, installing timing chains, adjusting fan clutches, rebuilding 504 transmissions, that's a breeze, comparatively. This job looks to be impossible without making those cuts in the fender well.

        I even thought about removing the battery, and air filter nightmare to try and get a shot at it, but it looks as if the fuel injection unit was cleverly designed as a last line of defense to disallow access to the master.

        A while back someone on this list suggested moving (without actually pulling the lines) the master cylinder forward and then pulling the brake vacuum unit out. This, especially the part about not disconnecting the brake lines from the master, seems a bit daring. I could see removing the brake master, but I would remove the lines as I would be afraid of screwing something up and then having to replace the lines.

        In spite of the fact that some might find this a funny post I am really at wit's end with this one. Any suggestions, frivolous, hostile or otherwise will be gladly accepted.
Thanks,
Perplexed Ken Again

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