[Peugeot-L] Re: sluggish window motors [solution]

From: -Phil- <listacct_at_mindfart.com>
Date: 01/12/06

Hi Ken,

The Peugeot motors are all badly engineered, and are just plain underpowered. This goes not only for the Power Windows, but things like the Windshield Wiper Motor also are crappy. Makes me think they hired an engineer whose previous job was making clock motors!

After a miserable first attempt at speeding up just one of the power window motors in the '87 STX I used to have, (I rewound the motor) I ended up solving it once and for all with a beefy homemade DC to DC converter (switching boost converter) in the fusebox to provide an accessory bus that was adjustable. I hooked several of the underperforming loads to it to improve their performance; The Power windows/sunroof, the Windshield wipers, Seat Heaters, and the rear window defroster. I think I had it set to around 20 volts, and it made everything run beautifully. I had to remove the little bulbs in some of the switches, but I replaced them with LEDs. The bulbs in the power window switches never last anyway.

As I said, this was my second attempt at doing something to help the molasses-motors. My first was a re-winding attempt. It helped a tiny bit, but not enough to be worth the immense amount of effort. Being an Electrical Enginner, the obvious final solution was simply MORE POWER!

It was the only Peugeot I've ever had that could actually beat the speed of a Corvette. (Power Window Speed, that is! ;-)

And this electrical boost along with my seat heater hack (posted a long time ago to the list), produced a very nice seat heating system. I had to add an extra button to select low/high voltage for the heaters after I discovered that the seat heaters (running at 20v with no thermostat) would really roast your ass in short order! At 12v though, they self-regulate beautifully.

I also (big suprise) broke a sunroof cable sheath right after I did this, but that has happened on every sunroof-equipped 505 I've ever owned, so I was prepared. I have a hack for that too! :-)

The only downside was that it Didn't have enough power to run the Wipers AND a power window when the Rear-Window Defroster was on. (It would shut down to protect itself) You could probably also get away with a much smaller converter is you only were powering the windows/wiper.

-Phil
----- Original Message -----
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:15:38 -0800
From: kenneth parker <elkeni@mac.com>
Subject: sluggish window motors (84 505 STI)

The rear power window motors and sunroof motor in my 84 505 STI are very sluggish. I had thought of mixing a batch of half WD-40 and half Metamucil to remedy the problem, but am appealing to the list first to see if anyone out there has any remedies. I have several questions which are:
1. Might it be that the tracks for the windows are inhibiting movement? If so, is there some way to lubricate the tracks. 2. The same question for the sunroof, but where exactly does one lubricate the sunroof and what should I use? 3. If it is not the tracks do I have to remove and pull apart the window and sunroof motors, or is there a way to lubricate them without disassembling the motors?
Thanks,
Ken

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