I had no idea about the "required supplier" law in France. I have seen at
least 3 types of motors in the 505, all are rather poorly engineered. I
blame Peugeot for buying such crappy parts and not enforcing quality from
their suppliers. The Law hobbled Peugeot's ability to do much about it
though, so that's a big factor.
-but still-
Peugeot's electrical standards have never been up to snuff, but if it says
anything the British and Italians were somewhat worse. (all in my opinion!)
I can't even fathom how many minor electrical problems I've seen that cause
Peugeots to die on the road and leave people feeling like the car is
unreliable. I've seen this from 3 members of my immediate family that owned
505's as well as numerous friends, many of which I convinced to buy a
Peugeot personally. The 505 was an amazing car, but good powertrain,
suspension, and chassis engineering are useless if the car dies
intermittently, or won't start.
Many evaluations of the various examples of electrical engineering in my
initial years of Peugeot "fandom" led me to conclude that water somehow
doesn't exist in France, and that's why the engineers didn't seal anything
properly. ;-)
After years of crappy electrical problems, you'd think they would have
gotten enough feedback from the dealers to fix the problems so their
reputation wouldn't decline!
-Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "gary freeman" <riven2649@yahoo.com>
To: "Mike Aube" <maube@idirect.com>; <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] 2.0 turbo diesel 4 speed ?
Mike,
I'm assuming by your reply that you think I was referring to the V6 when
I said the PRV engine. I had always thought that all the engines from the
Douvrin plant were PRV as supposedly that plant was a joint venture between
Peugeot, Renault, and Volvo. The last I had kept up with it, I understood
that the first 4 engines had all been designed by Peugeot, which shows the
high esteem that the other two manufacturers had for Peugeot's engineering.
I really haven't kept up with it since then as I went into my own business
and got into BMW's and Jap cars so that I could make a living. That was the
info on PRV that we got through Peugeot when we were a dealer, but you may
know more.
Some of these posts jarred some memories, so I would like to say
something also about the posts on the electric motor mods. First of all,
Peugeot didn't make those electric motors. Secondly, most European electric
motors are slower than
their American counterpoints because of design considerations. Thirdly,
90% of the problems on the early 505's was due to parts that were bought
from outside suppliers. Fourthly, this was not Peugeot's fault as French
law required manufacturers to buy equal amounts of parts from every
manufacturer in France who made those parts, which explains alternators
from Paris-Rhone, Ducellier, SEV-Marchal, etc. You can imagine that with
guarranteed sales, these manufacturers didn't try too hard. The new CEO at
Peugeot who I think was instated in the early 80's demanded quality
guarrantees as per the Japanese model, and I think he also demanded(as the
Japanese did) smaller and more frequent deliveries in order to cut
inventory costs. This began the improvement in Peugeot quality. I'm not
sure if these French laws have changed ; and if anybody knows more about
this, please let us know
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