Amazing. Over 20 years and still sucky. (My experience)
-Phil
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From: "hugo_steincamp" <hsteincamp@hotmail.com>
To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: Electrical Quality
>I had endless problems with the electrics in my 505 STX, and this was
> in a dry Arizona climate.
>
> I don't think Peugeot have much progress in the reliability of their
> electrics. The electrics in the 307 seem to spectacularly
> troublesome, which is the main reason that the car scores close to
> bottom on reliability surveys in the UK. Here's an example of
> electrical problems with a 2003 307:
>
> http://www.carsurvey.org/review_85972.html
>
> Hugo
>
>
OnOn
> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "(-Phil-)" <listacct@m...> wrote:
>>
>> In my experience, Rare indeed! But you have a point in that it's
> mostly the
>> accessory bits that show the most failures. The starters are
> usually ok
>> (even the Paris Rhone and Ducillier), but the Alternators are
> relatively
>> crappy. Poor design on the diode pack, which ironically, is a
> mechanical
>> problem. (no matter what manufacturer)
>>
>> Many of the later 505's seemed to have smaller gauge wiring for
> many things,
>> and thusly the "hot soak starter" issue is widely known. There was
> a
>> service bulletin issued and a dealer-installed Peugeot kit to add a
> Relay to
>> the starter solenoid so that it would get more than about 8 volts.
>>
>> The system voltage, especially on the ZN3J, at night when the
> lights are on,
>> is lower than needed to keep the battery fully charged. My
> analysis was
>> that the gauge of the B+ alternator wires were inadequate for the
> design
>> amperage, and since the regulator senses voltage through those very
> same
>> lossy wires, it resulted in dim lights and even slower windows,
> wipers, etc.
>> How many extra batteries and alternators had to be purchased
> because of this
>> simple design oversight that went on for years?
>>
>> The sad thing is that (On the ZN3J) you can actually rip out about
> 8 feet of
>> wire and replace it with a 10 inch piece and end up with a better
> performing
>> system, which also puts less stress on the alternator! So the cost-
> savings
>> argument is even invalid.
>>
>> On many of the later cars (with multiport FI) they use those crappy
> DAV
>> connectors which are not water-tight and have low contact
> pressure. They
>> are used in all models to join the engine harness to the body
> harness, and
>> carry all the critical fuel injection signals. This gets wet,
> corroded, and
>> at the very least you end up with flashing codes, or poorly running
> engines,
>> even in areas with less harsh winters. The Relay board on the
> Turbo and V6
>> that sits over the fusebox is a big-time source of dead-on-the-road
> problems
>> for many cars too!
>>
>> I've seen three 505 sedans (one was mine!) where the rear seat
> cushion
>> simply wore through the wires feeding the fuel pump. It results in
> the car
>> intermittently stalling, or sometimes blowing fuel pump
> (Tachymetric) relays
>> and/or fuses. The funny part is that it only manifested itself
> when you had
>> adults sitting in back. Usually friends, Relatives, or even your
> Boss.
>> VERY embarrassing!
>>
>> One of my father's sedans developed this same problem when my
> elderly
>> grandmother sat in back. They got stuck with a dead car on the
> side of the
>> road.
>>
>> Problems like this cannot be blamed on suppliers. It is due simply
> to
>> electromechanical design engineering faults. I would have fired
> the whole
>> electrical engineering department after the first several years of
> this!
>>
>> -Phil
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Murphy" <fmmurphy@c...>
>> Cc: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Electrical Quality
>>
>>
>> > Yo, Phil:
>> >
>> > I don't want to rely on the Law of Very Small Numbers, but the
> electrics
>> > on my 84 505 GL wagon were absolutely bullet-proof for the entire
> 18
>> > years that I owned it. One thing that may have helped is that
> the car
>> > was rust-checked every year, which meant the grounds were always
> in good
>> > shape. The later cars have more electrics and are admittedly
> quirkier,
>> > but that '84 was a trooper first class. But even with the later
> cars,
>> > the heavy duty components, like starters and alternators, are
> generally
>> > pretty good.
>> >
>> > Mike Murphy in Toronto
>> > 5 licensed 505s - whoo-hoo!
>> >
>> >
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