I just read all the reviews for the 307 in the UK. They are scary.
Peugeot's future is sealed if they don't fix the quality. Toyota is on the
way to becoming the world's #1 automaker, and it's not coincidence they are
known for reliability.
-Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "(-Phil-)" <listacct@mindfart.com>
To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: Electrical Quality
> Amazing. Over 20 years and still sucky. (My experience)
>
> -Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "hugo_steincamp" <hsteincamp@hotmail.com>
> To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:26 PM
> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: Electrical Quality
>
>
>>I had endless problems with the electrics in my 505 STX, and this was
>> in a dry Arizona climate.
>>
>> I don't think Peugeot have much progress in the reliability of their
>> electrics. The electrics in the 307 seem to spectacularly
>> troublesome, which is the main reason that the car scores close to
>> bottom on reliability surveys in the UK. Here's an example of
>> electrical problems with a 2003 307:
>>
>> http://www.carsurvey.org/review_85972.html
>>
>> Hugo
>>
>>
>> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "(-Phil-)" <listacct@m...> wrote:
>>>
>>> In my experience, Rare indeed! But you have a point in that it's
>> mostly the
>>> accessory bits that show the most failures. The starters are
>> usually ok
>>> (even the Paris Rhone and Ducillier), but the Alternators are
>> relatively
>>> crappy. Poor design on the diode pack, which ironically, is a
>> mechanical
>>> problem. (no matter what manufacturer)
>>>
>>> Many of the later 505's seemed to have smaller gauge wiring for
>> many things,
>>> and thusly the "hot soak starter" issue is widely known. There was
>> a
>>> service bulletin issued and a dealer-installed Peugeot kit to add a
>> Relay to
>>> the starter solenoid so that it would get more than about 8 volts.
>>>
>>> The system voltage, especially on the ZN3J, at night when the
>> lights are on,
>>> is lower than needed to keep the battery fully charged. My
>> analysis was
>>> that the gauge of the B+ alternator wires were inadequate for the
>> design
>>> amperage, and since the regulator senses voltage through those very
>> same
>>> lossy wires, it resulted in dim lights and even slower windows,
>> wipers, etc.
>>> How many extra batteries and alternators had to be purchased
>> because of this
>>> simple design oversight that went on for years?
>>>
>>> The sad thing is that (On the ZN3J) you can actually rip out about
>> 8 feet of
>>> wire and replace it with a 10 inch piece and end up with a better
>> performing
>>> system, which also puts less stress on the alternator! So the cost-
>> savings
>>> argument is even invalid.
>>>
>>> On many of the later cars (with multiport FI) they use those crappy
>> DAV
>>> connectors which are not water-tight and have low contact
>> pressure. They
>>> are used in all models to join the engine harness to the body
>> harness, and
>>> carry all the critical fuel injection signals. This gets wet,
>> corroded, and
>>> at the very least you end up with flashing codes, or poorly running
>> engines,
>>> even in areas with less harsh winters. The Relay board on the
>> Turbo and V6
>>> that sits over the fusebox is a big-time source of dead-on-the-road
>> problems
>>> for many cars too!
>>>
>>> I've seen three 505 sedans (one was mine!) where the rear seat
>> cushion
>>> simply wore through the wires feeding the fuel pump. It results in
>> the car
>>> intermittently stalling, or sometimes blowing fuel pump
>> (Tachymetric) relays
>>> and/or fuses. The funny part is that it only manifested itself
>> when you had
>>> adults sitting in back. Usually friends, Relatives, or even your
>> Boss.
>>> VERY embarrassing!
>>>
>>> One of my father's sedans developed this same problem when my
>> elderly
>>> grandmother sat in back. They got stuck with a dead car on the
>> side of the
>>> road.
>>>
>>> Problems like this cannot be blamed on suppliers. It is due simply
>> to
>>> electromechanical design engineering faults. I would have fired
>> the whole
>>> electrical engineering department after the first several years of
>> this!
>>>
>>> -Phil
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Murphy" <fmmurphy@c...>
>>> Cc: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Electrical Quality
>>>
>>>
>>> > Yo, Phil:
>>> >
>>> > I don't want to rely on the Law of Very Small Numbers, but the
>> electrics
>>> > on my 84 505 GL wagon were absolutely bullet-proof for the entire
>> 18
>>> > years that I owned it. One thing that may have helped is that
>> the car
>>> > was rust-checked every year, which meant the grounds were always
>> in good
>>> > shape. The later cars have more electrics and are admittedly
>> quirkier,
>>> > but that '84 was a trooper first class. But even with the later
>> cars,
>>> > the heavy duty components, like starters and alternators, are
>> generally
>>> > pretty good.
>>> >
>>> > Mike Murphy in Toronto
>>> > 5 licensed 505s - whoo-hoo!
>>> >
>>> >
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