I love my Peugeots, but I fear the Peugeot name is going down the drain....
Their quality has apparently gotten worse in each new model.
I suspect they will go the way of Volvo, Saab, Jaguar, etc.
Maybe an acquisition by Toyota?
-Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bruce" <bobbruce@mts.net>
To: "Peugeot List" <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: [Peugeot-L] Electrical Quality
> All you bitchers and complainers should have had an early 404 with the 3
> fuses
> You don't really know grief until then.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: (-Phil-)
> To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: Electrical Quality
>
>
> Amazing. Over 20 years and still sucky. (My experience)
>
> -Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "hugo_steincamp" <hsteincamp@hotmail.com>
> To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:26 PM
> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: Electrical Quality
>
>
> >I had endless problems with the electrics in my 505 STX, and this was
> > in a dry Arizona climate.
> >
> > I don't think Peugeot have much progress in the reliability of their
> > electrics. The electrics in the 307 seem to spectacularly
> > troublesome, which is the main reason that the car scores close to
> > bottom on reliability surveys in the UK. Here's an example of
> > electrical problems with a 2003 307:
> >
> > http://www.carsurvey.org/review_85972.html
> >
> > Hugo
> >
> >
> > --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "(-Phil-)" <listacct@m...> wrote:
> >>
> >> In my experience, Rare indeed! But you have a point in that it's
> > mostly the
> >> accessory bits that show the most failures. The starters are
> > usually ok
> >> (even the Paris Rhone and Ducillier), but the Alternators are
> > relatively
> >> crappy. Poor design on the diode pack, which ironically, is a
> > mechanical
> >> problem. (no matter what manufacturer)
> >>
> >> Many of the later 505's seemed to have smaller gauge wiring for
> > many things,
> >> and thusly the "hot soak starter" issue is widely known. There was
> > a
> >> service bulletin issued and a dealer-installed Peugeot kit to add a
> > Relay to
> >> the starter solenoid so that it would get more than about 8 volts.
> >>
> >> The system voltage, especially on the ZN3J, at night when the
> > lights are on,
> >> is lower than needed to keep the battery fully charged. My
> > analysis was
> >> that the gauge of the B+ alternator wires were inadequate for the
> > design
> >> amperage, and since the regulator senses voltage through those very
> > same
> >> lossy wires, it resulted in dim lights and even slower windows,
> > wipers, etc.
> >> How many extra batteries and alternators had to be purchased
> > because of this
> >> simple design oversight that went on for years?
> >>
> >> The sad thing is that (On the ZN3J) you can actually rip out about
> > 8 feet of
> >> wire and replace it with a 10 inch piece and end up with a better
> > performing
> >> system, which also puts less stress on the alternator! So the cost-
> > savings
> >> argument is even invalid.
> >>
> >> On many of the later cars (with multiport FI) they use those crappy
> > DAV
> >> connectors which are not water-tight and have low contact
> > pressure. They
> >> are used in all models to join the engine harness to the body
> > harness, and
> >> carry all the critical fuel injection signals. This gets wet,
> > corroded, and
> >> at the very least you end up with flashing codes, or poorly running
> > engines,
> >> even in areas with less harsh winters. The Relay board on the
> > Turbo and V6
> >> that sits over the fusebox is a big-time source of dead-on-the-road
> > problems
> >> for many cars too!
> >>
> >> I've seen three 505 sedans (one was mine!) where the rear seat
> > cushion
> >> simply wore through the wires feeding the fuel pump. It results in
> > the car
> >> intermittently stalling, or sometimes blowing fuel pump
> > (Tachymetric) relays
> >> and/or fuses. The funny part is that it only manifested itself
> > when you had
> >> adults sitting in back. Usually friends, Relatives, or even your
> > Boss.
> >> VERY embarrassing!
> >>
> >> One of my father's sedans developed this same problem when my
> > elderly
> >> grandmother sat in back. They got stuck with a dead car on the
> > side of the
> >> road.
> >>
> >> Problems like this cannot be blamed on suppliers. It is due simply
> > to
> >> electromechanical design engineering faults. I would have fired
> > the whole
> >> electrical engineering department after the first several years of
> > this!
> >>
> >> -Phil
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mike Murphy" <fmmurphy@c...>
> >> Cc: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:03 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Electrical Quality
> >>
> >>
> >> > Yo, Phil:
> >> >
> >> > I don't want to rely on the Law of Very Small Numbers, but the
> > electrics
> >> > on my 84 505 GL wagon were absolutely bullet-proof for the entire
> > 18
> >> > years that I owned it. One thing that may have helped is that
> > the car
> >> > was rust-checked every year, which meant the grounds were always
> > in good
> >> > shape. The later cars have more electrics and are admittedly
> > quirkier,
> >> > but that '84 was a trooper first class. But even with the later
> > cars,
> >> > the heavy duty components, like starters and alternators, are
> > generally
> >> > pretty good.
> >> >
> >> > Mike Murphy in Toronto
> >> > 5 licensed 505s - whoo-hoo!
> >> >
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