Hugo,
At the risk of being flamed, I think that anyone who
buys all that crap deserves all that trouble!!!
:^)
Integrated radio? Just get a decent aftermarket
unit and install. It could care less what the rest of
the car is doing, as long as it gets 12V, more or
less.
Automatic wipers?!?!? And I thought only fat,
stupid Americans were so lazy that they couldn't reach
over and switch the wipers on. And, really, its not
much of a reach.
Drive by wire? How many throttle cables have you
ever seen break? Not many would be my guess. And if
they did, you just buy a new cable and install. Not
very hard, or expensive for that matter. And, as a
benefit, you don't have some failure-prone computer
looking over your shoulder. As strange as it may
sound, especially given the average intelligence and
driving skill of Americans, letting them have direct
and deliberate control over the throttle is probably
best.
Satellite navigation unit? I've got a solid state
nav unit in my cars. A MAP! My god, if you have to
have a nav unit to get you around the block, you
really shouldn't be driving. And screen? People say
that looking at a map is distracting. I'd say its no
more than a bright, pretty nav screen taking up all
kinds of space on the dash.
Automatic lights? I usually realize that I should
turn my lights on when I can't see because its dark.
I've been turning my lights on and off all by myself
for years now. Its hard not to realize that its dark
out. And, if you can't realize that, then you really
should be driving.
Engine management, turbo, and the other mechanical
(what there is left that is mechanical) I can see the
frustration.
The only thing that prevents it from being an
American car is it doesn't (yet) have power doors so
you don't have to expend the energy to actually swing
one open.
Anyway, all this unnecessary content is just
problems waiting to happen. And, all the complexity
means more weight, which means bigger more powerful
engines, which means better and heavier construction
which means more powerful engines, and so on until you
have what we have in America-roadways crowded with
6500# behemouths piloted by lazy (power/automatic
everything, even doors), inept, incompetent, and
ultimately un-focused drivers.
Oh, well, to each his own. But I'll tell you one
thing. The manual windows in my cars will outlast
even the best power windows. And, they go up and down
as fast as I care to make them! My radio? Doesn't
know its in a foreign car. Doesn't care. 12V neg
ground is all that matters. And it was cheap.
Headlights/wipers/throttle control-well that's been
discussed already.
Good luck with your Crays! If you ever need a ride,
call me!
Regards,
Ben Pender
- hugo_steincamp <hsteincamp@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Electrics, software bugs, electronic going haywire
> seem to be common
> place in the 307, old or new. And that's only part
> of it. I wouldn't
> touch one with a 44 ft. pole. Here's a 2005 307:
>
> New Turbo Charger at 1000 miles.
>
> New engine management system at 2500 miles.
>
> Cruise control fails to cut out when needed to.
>
> Throttle action jerky and unresponsive.
>
> Radio jumps from one station to the next, and
> apparently if it
> doesn't like the channel, it switches on the CD
> changer, which then
> usually doesn't work after about 5 minutes.
>
> CD changer damages CD's whilst loading them.
>
> New EGR valve fitted.
>
> New CD changer, Sat Nav unit, and display screen
> fitted.
>
> Fuel consumption has never been better than 32.1 to
> the gallon,
> depite the official figures being over 60mpg. I
> would at least expect
> 40-45 on a decent run.
>
> Another new engine management system at 8000 miles.
> Also yet another
> attempt at fixing all the various electrical
> problems affecting the
> CD/Sat Nav/Telematics package, to no avail.
>
> Fuel consumption getting worse, and the performance
> for a 136HP car
> is appalling, no power, feels more like a 90hp
> engine.
>
> Automatic headlight system failed, lights stuck on
> permanently now.
>
> Rain sensor would not know water if you stuck it in
> a bucket of the
> stuff, which means the auto wipers also don't work
> now.
>
> On occasion, the car simply will not start, like a
> dead battery, only
> everything else works, just not the engine/starter.
> Great for
> confidence when away from home.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, Francois Dion
On
> <francois.dion@g...>
> wrote:
> >
> > The 307 first year was pretty bad. "Electricals"
> however is a
> misnomer
> > for many issues. Lots of components communicate on
> a serial bus now
> > and a lot of issues were firmware related.
> >
> > Look at the comments from the more recent 307 sw,
> people are very
> happy with it.
> >
> > BTW, who was supplying the electronics on the
> early 307 and who is
> > supplying now?
> >
> > As far as the 505, how many of us have owned their
> 505 since new and
> > how many issues only appeared late in the life of
> the vehicule? I
> know
> > I've had some issues but really cant complain as
> I've gotten all my
> > 505 with > 100K miles and > 10 years and most were
> caused by my
> > procrastination, and 1 on the 91 wagon by a
> ravenous mouse or
> > squirrel. So again, I cant complain.
> >
> > If you think things are bad now, wait until you
> get a hybrid and
> every
> > 3 years you have to replace your battery bank out
> of warranty (and
> > probably a few anciliary boards for voltage
> regulation that
> overheated
> > from a brownout condition).
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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