Re: [Peugeot-L] Electrical Quality/ Bloated cars

From: Ben Pender <ben_pender_at_yahoo.com>
Date: 01/23/06


Vincent,

  More weight *might* improve crash test results. But when every car on the road gains weight, its a wash. More weight, more structure to absorb the crash energy. BUT, there is more crash energy in the first place! So, ultimately, its all a wash.

Regards,
Ben Pender

  • Vincent Anton Stornaiuolo <astrovine@mchsi.com> wrote:

On> ahhhh... but does more weight result in higher crash
> test ratings?
> Important for marketing.
>
> V
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Ben Pender wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> >
> >  Sounds like you made a good choice. However,
> you
> > can't argue with my point about weight. Just
> pick a
> > car and look how it has become bloated over the
> years.
> > First gen Honda Civic? I don't know for sure,
> but
> > I'd say it weighed about 1400 pounds or so. The
> new
> > Honda Civic? Again I don't know for sure, but
> it
> > wouldn't surprise me if it was getting close to
> 3000#.
> > Not convinced? First gen VW Golf/Rabbit.Â
> About
> > 1700#, A2 Golf-about 2200#, A3 Golf? 2600#,
> Current
> > (new) Golf? Again, approaching 3000#.
> >
> > Â What was the average weight for the average
> car 20
> > years ago? What about 10 years ago? What
> about now?
> > In most countries, like the USA, Great Britian,
> > France, Germany, it has steadily increased.Â
> Weight is
> > weight. A ton of feathers weighs the same as a
> ton of
> > lead. More plastic and aluminum? Less
> steel/iron?
> > Doesn't matter. Cars weigh more now than they
> ever
> > have. Period.Â
> >
> > Â More weight requires more power to acheive the
> same
> > performance. Fortunately, technology has been
> good
> > and allowed more efficient engines so that more
> power
> > is produced without increased fuel consumption.Â
> But,
> > for every gain in efficiency, there has been a
> penalty
> > in terms of weight. Can you imagine what kind
> of
> > milage you would get with something like a 1.9
> TDI in
> > a first gen (A1) Jetta? You probably wouldn't
> need
> > the whole 1.9l! You could make the much more
> > efficient engine something like 1.3l and get
> > phenomenal milage, much like the VW Polo or
> something.
> >
> > Â Just imagine the fuel efficiency we could be
> getting
> > if we kept developing the engine technology, but
> kept
> > our cars from becomming big fat, bloated things.
> > 50mpg in a gasoline car would not be the
> exception,
> > but rather the rule by now. But, we're too lazy
> and
> > driven by the desire to be stylish for that to
> happen.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ben Pender
> >
> > --- David Owen <d_j_owen2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >Â Â As to Ben's comments on toys in the car.
> The
> > > materials used in todays cars are much lighter
> and
> > > so do not add greatly to the weight, the
> engines
> > > produce more power for their size and operate
> at
> > > greater efficiency giving more miles to the
> gallon.
> > > On my 1.9 TDI the book states 40 mpg round town
> and
> > > 60 mpg on a run. On most of the tanks I have
> put in
> > > so far the lowest mpg I have acheived is 47.6
> mpg
> > > the best 56.3 mpg. This is from a car the same
> size
> > > as an Audi A6. I did not opt for SatNav as I
> could
> > > not justify £1800 for it and the Leather seats
> with
> > > heaters did not appeal to me and again would
> add to
> > > the price.
> > >Â
> >
> >
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