hey:
Bosch didn't have anything to do with the 505 sunroof cables, or the 505 front turn signals,
or the 405 heater motors or flaps, or the crappy 405 alternators and their wiring or the 405 sunroof contraption.
Not since the first generation 505 turbo injection ecu glitches have I any complaints
Onagainst Bosch. In fact the 405 engine management systems suffers from 1 fault...
i.e. how and where the brain trust at Peugeot mounted the engine ecu.
I suspect that PSA went with supplies that were cheaper than Bosch and that is where
the trouble started.
Bob
Bob
- Original Message -----
From: Brian White
To: hugo_steincamp ; peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
I'd bet this has more to do with Bosch or Valeo than with Mercedes and Peugeot.
Notice that the top performers, Toyota, use their own electrics....
- Original Message -----------
From: "hugo_steincamp" <hsteincamp@hotmail.com>
To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:09:42 -0000
Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
> Yes, Mercedes seems to be going through a bad patch. In Europe, it
> has more recalls than any other brand. (And is followed by Peugeot,
> which should be scary for Mercedes and comforting for PSA, even
> though it shouldn't be.)
>
> Hugo
>
> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, gary freeman <riven2649@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I have to admit that Lexus is a very reliable product as are all
> the Japanese cars; but, believe me, there's nothing great about BMW
> and Mercedes these days. M3's have been blowing engines quite often,
> and when they first came out with their V8 in the early 90's, they
> had to replace alot of them do to excessive cylinder wear. M-B's
> aren't their old indestructible selves, either. Actually, alot of
> American cars have improved in this area as they had to respond to
> Japanese competition; and most of them are affiliated with a
> Japanese manufacturer.
> >
> > Bill Branch <billbranch1@a...> wrote: Futility? People are
> always giving me lip service about doing my own maintenance and
> small repairs. Then I explain to them that in the one hour or more
> that they've spent at JiffyLube getting their oil changed for
> whatever it costs, I can change mine in my garage for half the price
> with no aggro with having to deal with mental midgets, and at any
> time of day or night. No appointment necessary.
> > Any fifteen year old car is going to have mechanical failures,
> and, the last time I checked, even such vaunted marques as MB,
> Lexus, or BMW have service departments where work other than
> maintenance, viz., repairs, is performed.
> > I've found that most of the money I spend on repairs when I first
> get my Peugeots is spent on undoing what otherwise well-intentioned
> but just plain incompetent "technicians" have done to them. Once my
> cars are fixed properly, then the honeymoon begins, and they don't
> break any more often than Yugos or Volvos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian White
> > To: James Ma ; Paul Hughes ; peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
> >
> >
> > Jeez dude. You can pick up replacement instrument cluster all
> day long on Ebay in the US and
> > Europe. In fact, I had a couple of them when I sold my Mi16.
> >
> > You can take a used instrument cluster, pull the speedo, set
> the mileage and install it into your
> > cluster with relative ease.
> >
> > Sounds like you need to learn how to work on a car yourself...
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: James Ma <sjjma@y...>
> > To: Paul Hughes <pjphughes@y...>, peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:10:44 -0800 (PST)
> > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
> >
> > > Cerrone & Sons is my Peugeot mechanic. Tony is the one
> > > who quoted the $530 starter. He can't get a replacement
> > > speedometer for my broken one.
> > >
> > > Cerrone & Sons collected $5K from me last year and would
> > > have collected $6K from me but I declined to powder coat
> > > the Mi15 valve cover.
> >
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