I doubt it Bob.
Lots of cars mount the ECU in the same place as the 405. Usually though there are some attempts at
protection. <grin>
Valeo did the heater motors and flaps on the 405. Mitsubishi (or Bosch depending on year) did the
alternators.
I get your point though..
- Original Message -----------
From: "Bob Bruce" <bobbruce@mts.net>
To: <brian@bjwhite.net>, "hugo_steincamp" <hsteincamp@hotmail.com>, <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:22:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
> hey:
>
> Bosch didn't have anything to do with the 505 sunroof cables, or the 505 front turn
> signals, or the 405 heater motors or flaps, or the crappy 405 alternators and their wiring
> or the 405 sunroof contraption. Not since the first generation 505 turbo injection ecu
> glitches have I any complaints against Bosch. In fact the 405 engine management systems
> suffers from 1 fault...
> i.e. how and where the brain trust at Peugeot mounted the engine ecu. I suspect that PSA
> went with supplies that were cheaper than Bosch and that is where the trouble started.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian White
> To: hugo_steincamp ; peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
>
> I'd bet this has more to do with Bosch or Valeo than with Mercedes and Peugeot.
>
> Notice that the top performers, Toyota, use their own electrics....
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "hugo_steincamp" <hsteincamp@hotmail.com>
> To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:09:42 -0000
> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
>
> > Yes, Mercedes seems to be going through a bad patch. In Europe, it
> > has more recalls than any other brand. (And is followed by Peugeot,
> > which should be scary for Mercedes and comforting for PSA, even
> > though it shouldn't be.)
> >
> > Hugo
> >
> > --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, gary freeman <riven2649@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have to admit that Lexus is a very reliable product as are all
> > the Japanese cars; but, believe me, there's nothing great about BMW
> > and Mercedes these days. M3's have been blowing engines quite often,
> > and when they first came out with their V8 in the early 90's, they
> > had to replace alot of them do to excessive cylinder wear. M-B's
> > aren't their old indestructible selves, either. Actually, alot of
> > American cars have improved in this area as they had to respond to
> > Japanese competition; and most of them are affiliated with a
> > Japanese manufacturer.
> > >
> > > Bill Branch <billbranch1@a...> wrote: Futility? People are
> > always giving me lip service about doing my own maintenance and
> > small repairs. Then I explain to them that in the one hour or more
> > that they've spent at JiffyLube getting their oil changed for
> > whatever it costs, I can change mine in my garage for half the price
> > with no aggro with having to deal with mental midgets, and at any
> > time of day or night. No appointment necessary.
> > > Any fifteen year old car is going to have mechanical failures,
> > and, the last time I checked, even such vaunted marques as MB,
> > Lexus, or BMW have service departments where work other than
> > maintenance, viz., repairs, is performed.
> > > I've found that most of the money I spend on repairs when I first
> > get my Peugeots is spent on undoing what otherwise well-intentioned
> > but just plain incompetent "technicians" have done to them. Once my
> > cars are fixed properly, then the honeymoon begins, and they don't
> > break any more often than Yugos or Volvos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Brian White
> > > To: James Ma ; Paul Hughes ; peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeez dude. You can pick up replacement instrument cluster all
> > day long on Ebay in the US and
> > > Europe. In fact, I had a couple of them when I sold my Mi16.
> > >
> > > You can take a used instrument cluster, pull the speedo, set
> > the mileage and install it into your
> > > cluster with relative ease.
> > >
> > > Sounds like you need to learn how to work on a car yourself...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > From: James Ma <sjjma@y...>
> > > To: Paul Hughes <pjphughes@y...>, peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:10:44 -0800 (PST)
> > > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
> > >
> > > > Cerrone & Sons is my Peugeot mechanic. Tony is the one
> > > > who quoted the $530 starter. He can't get a replacement
> > > > speedometer for my broken one.
> > > >
> > > > Cerrone & Sons collected $5K from me last year and would
> > > > have collected $6K from me but I declined to powder coat
> > > > the Mi15 valve cover.
> > >
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