Why don't you read your own reply? BMW makes a lousy engine that's almost exploding, but they're wonderful for having the balls to make that kind of engine. Listen to yourself, I've been hearing this all my life. If it's German, it's great. Why do we ,of all nations, have so much respect for a nation that obviously has problems. They started two world wars in one century, we won; and yet we think they're technological gods. If Peugeot were blowing up engines like that, they would be those lousy French with horrible technology. The French have some of the greatest engineers on earth who have developed some of the greatest dams, trains, bridges, etc. And no, I'm not French in any way. The German cars have had some of the weakest red brass valve guides for years, and I've heard of M-B 450's needing valve jobs in as little as 1,100 miles; but has their reputation ever suffered? Meanwhile Peugeot's, Citroen's, and even Renault's were going hundreds of thousand miles with no
major engine work; but all you heard of were the little problems they had. I'm talking about perception, which doesn't seem to fit the reality. I just think it's time that people realize that the German's are far from perfect; and as someone who has worked on many types of cars over the years, the real German's are the Japanese.
OnBrian White <brian@bjwhite.net> wrote: Gary...
You bring up WWII issues when we're talking about cars. In fact, your entire post is quite crazy.
Come back and post when you're not sick and tired so you make at least some sense.
- Original Message -----------
From: gary freeman
To: brian@bjwhite.net, peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:40:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
> You don't have to tell me about BMW's problems, I was a factory trained BMW tech at a big
> dealer here in St.Louis before I had to retire. Lots of manufacturers have used various
> processes to utilize all aluminun cylinders with great success. Some used the public for
> research and development such as G.M. and the Vega. Don't give me any poor G.M. either as
> they've been in that habit along time, and they deserve to be where they are today. They
> represent the heartland-where does the heartland get that they represent America? I would
> hate to be associated with the ignorance that represents. And why do the German's always
> get excused? There had been plenty enough experience with aluminum cylinders for BMW to
> get it right the first time. And how can you say the Japanese engines aren't
> thoroughbreds like BMW? And what's so wonderful about technology that blows up? German
> manufacturers have been pushing so much B.S. for so many years about their technical
> superiority t! hat I'm enjoying the hell out of their current problems. And what about M-
> B when the 380's came out, the all aluminum V8, engineered like no other, cost no object,
> yet they took a timing chain which wrapped under the crank, went up one bank and over
> that cam, went to an idler in the middle of the V, went up the other bank and over that
> cam, and back to the crank-quite long, don't you think? Yet in their infinite wisdom,
> they made it a single row chain. You want to guess how many broke and destroyed engines.
> Plus you needed a $300.00 plus tool that was a template for tapping the holes for the
> head bolts in the cheap aluminum the heads were made from. The Porsche 928 also had all
> aluminum with everything bolted on with steel bolts. The horrible Italians like Alfa
> Romeo had all aluminum engines for years (their last four cyl. began life in 1954 ), yet
> everything including the head bolts were studs. Remember, the German's were the bad guys
> in WWII; so why do we kiss their! butts so much and believe all their hype? And do you
> know what kind of software problems BMW has been having with their new electronic
> "marvels" ? By their own admission, they rushed the new 7's to market a year early. I
> could go on and on with some stories I probably shouldn't reveal, but I an sick and tired
> of this German superiority crap; and I really don't understand people of German descent
> in this country who display it and are so proud. What the Nazi's did in WWII is
> unparalled in all of mankind's history, so what the hell do they have to be proud of-
> because they're mindless enough to follow anybody.The Infiniti G35 actually was preferred
> over the BMW M3 in quite a few of the car mags, and slightly outperformed it. What's
> wrong with that engine? It doesn't self- destruct enough to be a thoroughbred? You want
> to talk real thoroughbreds, let's talk Italian. And what about Formula One? Who won this
> year while the Ferrari's were slow and M-B and BMW kept breaking d! own? And what about
> the last time Renault tackled Formula One-they dominated!
Do you Yahoo!?
With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Recommended format for your email subject lines:
Model # [Model Letters] Year Subject
Examples:
505 88 V6 Mileage
405 Mi16 89 Ignition Coil source?
To unsubscribe from this list send a blank email message to PEUGEOT-L-UNSUBSCRIBE@EGROUPS.COM
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peugeot-L/
<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
peugeot-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Received on Sun Jan 29 21:55:10 2006
