Sorry about the apostrophes, but my pup got a hold of the keyboard the other day, and it's doing all kind of weird things especially as I have to really hit some of the keys now. I try to go back and correct, but I couldn't find my glasses this morning and I'm surprised it wasn't more screwed- up. If you look at my old posts you will see that I don't usually punctuate like that. Besides, if you cared that much about English, you would be correcting all the horrific grammar and spelling that I see on here all the time. It's just a debating trick to try and discredit me. What about your reply to my post about Nippon Denso? "blah, blah, blah". Very grown-up, I guess you want to take your toys and go home. I was very humble in that post, too, as I said (honestly) that you may know more about that than me. But all I got was "blah, blah, blah".
And as I do appreciate the Japanese, I don't care about the war. My posts about the war were on topic as I'm trying to understand why we Americans have so much reverence for the Germans. If we had been vanquished, then I could understand this respect. And I'm not saying that the Germans don't do alot of things well, I'm just saying that they're not perfect; and your comment about the M3 engine being this unparalleled thoroughbred that nobody else had the "balls" to put out, and therefore that excuses these extreme problems proves my point. Had that been an Italian, British, French, or even American product, there would have been no excuse. I was a BMW fan for ages, in the club, owned one, and specialized in them at my shop. After working at the dealer, I was completely disillusioned as the new cars, as expensive as they are, are using more and more cheap parts, provide little technical support, don't have complete electrical diagrams, and are very stingy on warranty.
Peugeot was the opposite as they provided great support and were extremely generous on warranty time. Our technical help came from a German from Stuttgart who I was very close to and loved dearly. So you completely chose to ignore the point of my posts; and instead decided to dwell on the war things, which if you go back and read my posts, that's hardly mentioned. You sure like to single me out whenever I say the slightest thing about anything that's not directly about cars, but I see so much off the topic posts on here including the current one about unpatriotic cars. I didn't say anything political about the wars, what I said had to do with why we think German cars are so superior; and why our perception of things German is so inflated when I think we've proved our own superiority. And in today's high tech world, who do you think is at the top? America is, and that's a fact; and I'm not even that patriotic. I happen to love our entire world with all its diversity. So
if you want to kick me off the list for disagreeing with you, and you want to act like I'm crazy and this German bias doesn't exist, then fine. Enjoy your 540i until something major goes wrong and you have to pay somebody to fix it because you won't have the expensive and exclusive equipment to fix it.
Brian White <brian@bjwhite.net> wrote: I think people who use apostrophes for plural words (German's. Peugeot's. Citroen's. Renault's)
are the ones far from perfect. Apostrophes are for possession, not plurality.
Gary, the cars have NOTHING to do with who won World War II, who started what wars. Following
that logic, the Japanese were allied with Germany! So they suck too right? Well, not from you.
What problems BMW or Porsche or Mercedes or Volkswagen or Audi has in 2006 has nothing to do with
who won what war in 1918 or 1945. (Or god forbid, 1975...)
Frankly Gary, who cares? One more political "who won what war" and "we as Americans beat them so
why do we think they're technological gods" posts and you're booted. There, it's a public
statement.
Keep it to cars...
And frankly, my 1998 BMW 540i 6-speed is an amazing vehicle. Peugeot could have matched it had
they continued along the lines of the 504/604/505.... Sadly, they abandoned the formula.
- Original Message -----------
From: gary freeman
To: brian@bjwhite.net, peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:54:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
> Why don't you read your own reply? BMW makes a lousy engine that's almost exploding, but
> they're wonderful for having the balls to make that kind of engine. Listen to yourself,
> I've been hearing this all my life. If it's German, it's great. Why do we ,of all
> nations, have so much respect for a nation that obviously has problems. They started two
> world wars in one century, we won; and yet we think they're technological gods. If
> Peugeot were blowing up engines like that, they would be those lousy French with horrible
> technology. The French have some of the greatest engineers on earth who have developed
> some of the greatest dams, trains, bridges, etc. And no, I'm not French in any way. The
> German cars have had some of the weakest red brass valve guides for years, and I've heard
> of M-B 450's needing valve jobs in as little as 1,100 miles; but has their reputation
> ever suffered? Meanwhile Peugeot's, Citroen's, and even Renault's were going hundreds of
> thousand miles! with no major engine work; but all you heard of were the little problems
> they had. I'm talking about perception, which doesn't seem to fit the reality. I just
> think it's time that people realize that the German's are far from perfect; and as
> someone who has worked on many types of cars over the years, the real German's are the Japanese.
>
> Brian White
wrote: Gary...
>
> You bring up WWII issues when we're talking about cars. In fact, your entire post is
> quite crazy. Come back and post when you're not sick and tired so you make at least some sense.
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: gary freeman
> To: brian@bjwhite.net, peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:40:45 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Futility of owning a Peugeot in US
>
> > You don't have to tell me about BMW's problems, I was a factory trained BMW tech at a big
> > dealer here in St.Louis before I had to retire. Lots of manufacturers have used various
> > processes to utilize all aluminun cylinders with great success. Some used the public for
> > research and development such as G.M. and the Vega. Don't give me any poor G.M. either as
> > they've been in that habit along time, and they deserve to be where they are today. They
> > represent the heartland-where does the heartland get that they represent America? I would
> > hate to be associated with the ignorance that represents. And why do the German's always
> > get excused? There had been plenty enough experience with aluminum cylinders for BMW to
> > get it right the first time. And how can you say the Japanese engines aren't
> > thoroughbreds like BMW? And what's so wonderful about technology that blows up? German
> > manufacturers have been pushing so much B.S. for so many years about their technical
> > superiority t! hat I'm enjoying the hell out of their current problems. And what about M-
> > B when the 380's came out, the all aluminum V8, engineered like no other, cost no object,
> > yet they took a timing chain which wrapped under the crank, went up one bank and over
> > that cam, went to an idler in the middle of the V, went up the other bank and over that
> > cam, and back to the crank-quite long, don't you think? Yet in their infinite wisdom,
> > they made it a single row chain. You want to guess how many broke and destroyed engines.
> > Plus you needed a $300.00 plus tool that was a template for tapping the holes for the
> > head bolts in the cheap aluminum the heads were made from. The Porsche 928 also had all
> > aluminum with everything bolted on with steel bolts. The horrible Italians like Alfa
> > Romeo had all aluminum engines for years (their last four cyl. began life in 1954 ), yet
> > everything including the head bolts were studs. Remember, the German's were the bad guys
> > in WWII; so why do we kiss their! butts so much and believe all their hype? And do you
> > know what kind of software problems BMW has been having with their new electronic
> > "marvels" ? By their own admission, they rushed the new 7's to market a year early. I
> > could go on and on with some stories I probably shouldn't reveal, but I an sick and tired
> > of this German superiority crap; and I really don't understand people of German descent
> > in this country who display it and are so proud. What the Nazi's did in WWII is
> > unparalled in all of mankind's history, so what the hell do they have to be proud of-
> > because they're mindless enough to follow anybody.The Infiniti G35 actually was preferred
> > over the BMW M3 in quite a few of the car mags, and slightly outperformed it. What's
> > wrong with that engine? It doesn't self- destruct enough to be a thoroughbred? You want
> > to talk real thoroughbreds, let's talk Italian. And what about Formula One? Who won this
> > year while the Ferrari's were slow and M-B and BMW kept breaking d! own? And what about
> > the last time Renault tackled Formula One-they dominated!
>
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