Some people see the cup half full, some see it half empty. The whole purpose of warranties is to catch the faults in a car and replace them to the customers satisfaction. You sell 3 million cars a year, you'll get a lot of complaints. People who are satisfied with a product don't go out of their way go back to the dealer and make an issue out of how satisfied they are. It is the complaints that make the headlines. Some people are driving Peugeots because their fleet manager put them in one when they are hard core Ford or whatever and they will complain in part to get there Ford back.
Parts fall off cars all the time, engines self destruct, transmissions seize you name it. My brother has a Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute, the engine had to be replaced at 30,000km (that 20,000 miles folks) now that's what I call reliablity! Does that stop him from buying another Ford? Nope, went out and bought an F150 to match the Escape.
Now back to the Peugeot, most of the items in the list relate to items supplied by sub-contractors (radio, indicators electrical connectors,horn etc) and this one: my biggest gripes is
that it feels huge from behind the wheel,
now there's a serious complaint if I ever heard of one!
Now for the really important bit:
The only good bit is the engine, which like all Peugeot diesels is smooth, willing, quiet and frugal. Isn't the engine one of the few parts that Peugeot builds from scratch in their factories?
It is my understanding that Peugeot has gone to their suppliers and demanded better reliability for parts.
As for the bias from the media, remember Click and Clack? They made a career out of bashing Peugeot, I paid no heed to what they said because I simply considered the source.
Dan
From: hugo_steincamp
To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: Test? Peugeot and Citroen has superior design and suspension
Actually, I've driven the 307 and a 406, and have read plently of
reviews about the new Peugeots. I've also driven a Xantia. Why is a
review that is critical about a Peugeot product biased? Why is a
review that says a 307 is not as good as drive as a Ford Focus
biased? Do motor journalists have some conspiracy against Peugeot? Is
that what you're saying? Why is Peugeot near the bottom of nearly
every consumer satisfaction survey? Why would the English motoring
press be baised agaist Peugeot and while the Germans aren't? Why do
so many owners of the 307 make complaints like these ones:
"What has gone wrong with the car?
Wiper arm flew off at 60 mph on the M1 when the car was just 3 days
old.
Engine compartment undertray fell off.
Passenger electric window switch needed replacing after an estimated
10 uses
Load compartment light bulb blows every few weeks - dealer doesn't
know why.
Reverse gear operation on rear wiper has never worked.
Radio intermittently refuses to switch off.
Indicator failure.
Brakes became stiff and the engine started to lose power. Brake servo
needed changing.
Plipper button fell out of key.
Battery terminal connection would intermittently break, playing havoc
with the central locking.
Horn has gone off of its own accord on three occasions.
General comments?
Awful car. The only good bit is the engine, which like all Peugeot
diesels is smooth, willing, quiet and frugal. 90PS is never going to
make a lump of lard like this go like a ball of fire, but it's
surprisingly lively with the usual diesel midrange clout. Averages 49
mpg which is 5 mpg more than my previous Focus TD 90PS.
The driving position takes some getting used to, as you feel about a
mile from the base of the windscreen. One of my biggest gripes is
that it feels huge from behind the wheel, and just like driving an
MPV or a small van. Handling is okay, and very competent, but it
lacks fun and involvement after a Focus and a 306. It also has awful
overlight and numb feeling steering which is inexcuseable as Peugeot
have demonstrated for 20 years that they can do better. Oh, and the
brakes are stupidly over-servoed. The merest brush on the pedal makes
the car stand on its nose.
As for reliability, it's been a disaster. Okay, it's done 31,000
miles in 8 and a bit months, but the Focus managed it, and so did the
306 before it. This thing feels like it's going to be scrapyard
material by the time it gets to 100,000 miles. Lots of silly minor
problems, and the people in the factory clearly haven't comprehended
the simple fact that in order for something to stay together, the nut
or screw securing it has to be done up! The wiper falling off after 3
days and the undertray after 3 weeks is inexcusable. Dealers are rude
and overpriced too."
The 307 has some serious design and engineering issues. This does
not mean that I am inferring that all modern Pugs are crap. The 406
seems to be quite reliable.
Hugo
- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, Dan Midtdal <midvally@s...> wrote:
> Thanks for the good report Pasi. It is always a pleasure to hear
the positive stuff. Unfortunately some on this list continue to
trash cars they have never driven and have only read a few biased
reviews, particularly from the British Press and base their opinions
on that. Now if only we could read those glowing reports for
OnOn ourselves...
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: peugeotvoittaja
> To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:11 AM
> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: Test? Peugeot and Citroen has superior
design and suspension
>
>
>
> The 307 won comparison test in Auto Bild (German Car Magazine)
last
> week. C4 became second. Not bad for a car which is 'not class-
> leading' to win a class leading car. ;)
>
OnOn
> By the way. Handling was better in 307 among other things...
>
> Pasi from Finland
> 405 SRI
> 309 GT
> 305 GL
>
> > The 307 - terrible unreliability and build quality and it is
not
> even
> > class-leading in the way it drives. (Get a Ford Focus instead.
Or
> a
> > Honda Civic Type R.)
>
>
> > The only PSA product that seems to have the capability
> > of being a class leader is the Citroen C4. It has done very
well
> in
> > reviews and has been rated first in its class by various car
> > magazines. It has beautiful styling as well.
>
> > Hugo Steincamp
>
>
>
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