Hi everybody;
Just curious about lube in the limited-slip differentials - is it 80-90
weight? And are all limited-slip additives created equal? How much
additive is right? thanks, Tom Woods
Original Message:
From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Date: 27 Mar 2005 19:30:36 -0000
To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Peugeot-L] Digest Number 1819
There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
- RE: Gas mileage - ZDJL wagon
From: "N9TE" <Fujitsu@turbo505.com>
- Yahoo Photos available, for 504,505,404, and 1000 Simca
From: Thomas Miessner-Pulliam <tpulliam@gmail.com>
- Gas mileage
From: "tilac1" <tilac1@yahoo.com>
- Re: Gas mileage
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <e@nn.cl>
- Re: Re: Gas mileage
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <e@nn.cl>
- Re: Re: Gas mileage
From: RSeidel908@aol.com
- Re: Gas mileage
From: RSeidel908@aol.com
- mileage
From: macjava@aol.com
- Re: Gas mileage
From: Andrew <akroiter@yahoo.com.au>
- end of another era and gas mileage again
From: Steven Klein <infoman@ZIPCON.NET>
- 86 505 Turbo Gas Workshop manuals
From: "t505sw" <limonat@lycos.com>
- Re: Gas mileage
From: Thomas Mladenka <tmladenka@yahoo.ca>
- RE: 86 505 Turbo Gas Workshop manuals
From: "con" <phred@exemail.com.au>
- 604 for sale in Texas
From: peugeot604td@aol.com
Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:15:43 -0800
From: "N9TE" <Fujitsu@turbo505.com>
Subject: RE: Gas mileage - ZDJL wagon
When I'm in 5th gear, it's an overdrive. Now, I haven't done a couple
of hundred mile trip, but for city stuff, I can drive the car all day
and never crack 3000 rpm if that's my fancy. Because of some issues, I
pretty much drive rather conservatively. Usually only breaking 3K a
couple of times.
When I say "undercarriage", I mean plastic panels that aid in airflow.
I was looking at the stats, and comparing weight. They were all kicking
our cars butts. :(
Brian White's new 5 series with a V8 is getting no worse mileage. I
don't know if it's considered a tow car in any respect of the word, but
I think he mentioned he'll be towing his slot-Miata around with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Aube [mailto:maube@idirect.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:59 AM
To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Gas mileage - ZDJL wagon
Koll, have a good look at the Peugeot undercarriage, I can't remember
any sharp flat nose areas facing forward, everything is meant for
airflow. The NA models though are covered with an undercoat which is not
smooth but makes the vehicles last much longer. As to mileage, Peugeots
were always designed as workhorses, at least up to the 505. The low diff
gears don't help high speed mileage but if you look at the owner's
manual, you will see that it is rated to carry and tow more than a
Caprice which in most cases is equipped with a 2.23/1 diff ratio while
most of our cars have 3.73/1 to 4.53/1 final ratios . If you look at the
latest stats on newer vehicles of the same size, you'll find that the
older Peugeots are getting the same, if not better mileage, and I
thought they were getting better. Mike Aube
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:22:39 -0800
From: Thomas Miessner-Pulliam <tpulliam@gmail.com>
Subject: Yahoo Photos available, for 504,505,404, and 1000 Simca
Ok, several months back I wanted to show people my Peugeots for sale.
Well, finally, I got these albums off private mode, hence why I had
troubles with people not being able to see them
The photos are on yahoo.com under user name pearcehall.
Let me know what you all think!
Thomas
Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:42:56 -0000
From: "tilac1" <tilac1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Gas mileage
I've always wondered why a 2.0 liter(!) 4 cylinder should get 6 (or even 8)
cylinder gas mileage. Granted, my '87 wagon with 4-spd auto (and lock-up
Ontorque converter) weighs around 3500 pounds but still...
I don't even know what my MPG is 'cause my odometer is broken, of course.
Still love the car though...
Brad
'87 Liberte Wagon
Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:05:08 -0400
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <e@nn.cl>
Subject: Re: Gas mileage
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 11:42:56PM -0000, tilac1 wrote:
>
>
> I've always wondered why a 2.0 liter(!) 4 cylinder should get 6 (or even
8) cylinder gas mileage. Granted, my '87 wagon with 4-spd auto (and lock-up
torque converter) weighs around 3500 pounds but still...
>
Gas mileage is not a direct function of engine size, but of power required
and eficiency.
Best fuel efficiency is with a light car, low resistance and properly sized
engine.
As for driving for best fuel efficiency, always remember that minimizing
braking minimizes fuel consumption. If you drive in a way that you avoid
braking as much as possible, you are driving using as litle fuel as possible
also...
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:08:53 -0400
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <e@nn.cl>
Subject: Re: Re: Gas mileage
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 08:14:09AM -0800, Brian J White wrote:
>
> I'm a major metric-head and I strongly beleive that the United States
> should convert.
>
> But I must admit I really hate the liters per 100 km measurement.
Should
> be liters per km. Something per unit. Not something per 100 units.
But
> oh well.
>
Thats the way we measure it where I live. My 405 SR gets 8.5 kilometers
per liter using that method. City. Highway is more like 12k/l.
--
Eduardo Kaftanski
eduardo@linuxcenterla.com
Red Hat Certified Engineer/Instructor/Examiner
Gerente Ingenieria LinuxCenter S.A.
Mariano Sanchez Fontecilla 310, 2do piso, Edificio Birmann24, Las Condes,
Chile
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:58:26 EST
From: RSeidel908@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Gas mileage
In a message dated 3/26/2005 11:05:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
august.macbeth@gmail.com writes:
I think another thing we all need to keep in mind is the accuracy
(actually, lack of it) with these late model 505 instrument clusters.
I've yet to see one that's accurate and mainly, !consistent!.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Good point. Auto Club checks (members) accuracy for free.
-Ray S.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:11:36 EST
From: RSeidel908@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gas mileage
In a message dated 3/26/2005 7:06:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, e@nn.cl
writes:
Gas mileage is not a direct function of engine size, but of power required
and eficiency.
Best fuel efficiency is with a light car, low resistance and properly sized
engine.
As for driving for best fuel efficiency, always remember that minimizing
braking minimizes fuel consumption. If you drive in a way that you avoid
braking as much as possible, you are driving using as litle fuel as
possible
also...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I will add a note here for better MPG:
* Synthetic oil. (Lower weight oil get better mpg such as 0W-30 vs.15-50,
but our higher mileage engines probably need the latter.)
* MiCHELIN MXV4 ENERGY tires. SUPER low rolling resistance.
* Regardless of the tire, keep that pressure up...can use 5 psi over what
the sticker says.
* Clean air filter. (But where does one buy one for a Pug?)
* Good spark plugs. (Everyone has their favorites, but I like BOSCHE
multi-electrode). This is not expensive...some are what...a buck each on
sale?
* Buy your gas in the MORNING when it is cold...you get more gas that way.
It expands with the heat of the day.
There are others, but I'm stopping here. Someone else can pick it up from
this point.
-Ray S.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:00:00 EST
From: macjava@aol.com
Subject: mileage
I seem to get about 20 mpg city and 22 at 60 to 70 mph (possibly one or two
mpg less with the A/C in 100°f Georgia summertime) with our TWO ZDJL SW8
cars.
I'm about ready to get some batteries in our commutacar for city driving.
thanks,
xx rick
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:10:30 +1000 (EST)
From: Andrew <akroiter@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: Gas mileage
1982 505 TD 5 speed- Daily Driver, 40MPG (Imp) for
regular rush hour commute
1991 405 MI16 - Wifes Daily Driver 25MPG (Imp) for
daily short city commute, 35MPG recent highway trip
1985 505 Turbo Speed 31MPG city/highway commute with
light right foot
John (grumbling that diesel prices have gone
significantly higher than gas - what's up with that?)
G'day from downunder :)
1981 604SRDT 5 speed - driven most days mainly country
cruising - getting approx 12l/100km. something's wrong
but I don't know what
John, you've noticed that diesel has gone up like
that, too, eh? In my part of Australia, standard
unleaded is selling for $1.13/litre. Diesel is selling
for $1.22/litre. And diesel is supposed to be cheaper
to produce!
1984 505 SR Familiale
1981 604 SLTD
Bribbaree, NSW
Australia
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:23:55 -0800
From: Steven Klein <infoman@ZIPCON.NET>
Subject: end of another era and gas mileage again
I drove by the old location of Nelson Peugeot/Chevrolet in Seattle today
and the Peugeot sign was gone- it's now a Nissan dealer (with no class).
Re: gas mileage again. I'm in total agreement about the inaccuracy of
the instrument cluster on my 505- I think I've avoided speeding tickets
because the speedometer is 5-7% fast. On the other hand when it pleases
me I like to believe the speed indicated. These cars provide something
for all the senses.
Steven Klein
'85 505GL wagon
145k
PS- Peat- thanks for the info on the location on the bolts for the roof
rack.
s again
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:50:18 -0000
From: "t505sw" <limonat@lycos.com>
Subject: 86 505 Turbo Gas Workshop manuals
Hello all,
I saw an old thread about turning those workshop manuals into PDF
files. Did that project ever get of the ground?
If not how can I get them? It'd be great if someone would make a copy,
I'd pay for the copying and shipping.
Cheers
L
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 03:54:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Thomas Mladenka <tmladenka@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Gas mileage
Here diesel is about 80 to 98 cents per litre, and gasoline is about 70 to
98 cents per litre (depending where you fill up), so I guess that's not too
bad then.
PS I get about 850km to the tank, so that's not too bad
Thomas - '86 505 TD automatic
> wrote:
1982 505 TD 5 speed- Daily Driver, 40MPG (Imp) for
regular rush hour commute
1991 405 MI16 - Wifes Daily Driver 25MPG (Imp) for
daily short city commute, 35MPG recent highway trip
1985 505 Turbo Speed 31MPG city/highway commute with
light right foot
John (grumbling that diesel prices have gone
significantly higher than gas - what's up with that?)
G'day from downunder :)
1981 604SRDT 5 speed - driven most days mainly country
cruising - getting approx 12l/100km. something's wrong
but I don't know what
John, you've noticed that diesel has gone up like
that, too, eh? In my part of Australia, standard
unleaded is selling for $1.13/litre. Diesel is selling
for $1.22/litre. And diesel is supposed to be cheaper
to produce!
1984 505 SR Familiale
1981 604 SLTD
Bribbaree, NSW
Australia
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:27:03 +1000
From: "con" <phred@exemail.com.au>
Subject: RE: 86 505 Turbo Gas Workshop manuals
L
I have the "N9TE Technical Description" in pdf. It has a lot of useful data
(part numbers, wiring diagram etc).
I can send it to you by email but it is large. In fact, I have divided it
into two parts and each is still about 4Mbyte in size.
Let me if you want it emailed to you.
Con... Sydney
504 GL 1979
505 STi 1984
406 SV 1998
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Sent: Sunday, 27 March 2005 6:50 PM
To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Peugeot-L] 86 505 Turbo Gas Workshop manuals
Hello all,
I saw an old thread about turning those workshop manuals into PDF
files. Did that project ever get of the ground?
If not how can I get them? It'd be great if someone would make a copy,
I'd pay for the copying and shipping.
Cheers
L
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:17:37 EST
From: peugeot604td@aol.com
Subject: 604 for sale in Texas
I dont have any connection to this person or car! Contact John direct by
phone or email.
===========
Thank you, Steffen. Yes, I did realize that it was a long way to Richmond
and (also) that 604 owners are likely very few and far bewteen in the USA.
The elderly owner passed away recently and the widow is getting rid of his
eclectic collection of old cars. Before this one goes to the local
foreign car
salvage yard, perhaps some other 604 owners might like to know of its
existence. Any help that you could offer will be appreciated. The best
way to reach
me is this way, but my home telephone number is: 325/437-2247. That
number
is used by my dial-up modem. So, as a result, it is nearly constantly
"busy".
The leather interior is pretty much "cooked" thanks to too many summers in
the West Texas heat. However, all the exterior sheet metal is vey nice,
and
the car appears 100% complete. I can get a more complete assessment of
the
car's condition, including pics, to any interested parties.
Once again, thank you for the offer to help.
Sincerely,
John
John McMahon
Abilene, Texas
_jfm@nts-online.net_ (mailto:jfm@nts-online.net)
P.S. If I didn't mention it before, my sister owns two 1987 505s, and just
loves them. Both have the same bright red orange paint color and are, in
my
opinion, just a dream to drive. One is a turbo 5-speed
sedan and the other is an automatic station wagon.
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