Re: [Peugeot-L] Air Con - 405 TD

From: Ben Pender <ben_pender_at_yahoo.com>
Date: 04/12/05

Eduardo wrote...  

> > Hi all.. ok so my new GLX is my first ever car
> with air con ;) (well,
> > in my defence, it's use in England is limited to
> one day a year)
> >
> > It doesn't work...
> >
> > can someone give me a brief run down of the
> system, what components are
> > there, and how it interacts with the normal
> cooling system? (if it does)
>
> There is a compressor, run by the engine by a belt
> and an electromagnetic
> clutch, a radiator, mounted forward of the normal
> one, some piping,
> an evaporator/dissecant (silver car but the battery)
> and a condensor (a
> small radiator under the dash, thats what gets cold)

Eduardo,

  In America, the "radiator" ahead of the engine coolant radiator is called the "condensor".

  The silver canister, that you identified as "evaporator/dissecant" is known as the "drier", although dissicant is the same. Its definitely not the evaporator, in American terms.

  The under-dash "radiator" is known as the "evaporator", since it is the part where the liquid refrigerant is allowed to evaporate into a gas, which absorbs heat energy in the process of evaporating. The condensor ahead of the engine coolant radiator serves to cool and help condense the refrigerant, and thus in America known as the "condensor".

  In most AC systems, there are both high and low pressure switches. The low pressure switch essentially monitors the amount of refrigerant in the system (the less refrigerant, the lower the pressure), and below a certain pressure, will open and prevent the compressor clutch (the electromagnetic clutch Eduardo refered to) from engaging the compressor. The high pressure switch is there as a safety to shut the compressor off if the system pressure becomes too high.

  Eduardo is right. After a long period of non-use, the seals dry, become brittle, and leak the refrigerant, which is under 40-60 psi in the low pressure hoses when not in use. Many car manuals suggest that you run the A/C at least 10 minutes on a weekly basis to condition the seals, even in winter.

  Usually, the condensor fan comes on whenever the A/C is turned on regardless of engine temp. However, most systems utilize the low pressure switch as the master control, i.e., unless it is closed indicating some refrigerant in the system, neither the compressor clutch engages nor the fan comes on.

  Since you hear what I presume to be the fan come on, I would start the engine and turn on the A/C. If the fan comes on, then look at the compressor and see if the entire clutch is turning (the rim and the hub). The rim will turn whenever the engine is running. When the clutch engages, the hub will begin to spin, spinning the compressor. If the compressor is turning then there is enough refrigerant in the system to trigger the low pressure switch, unless it has failed, which is something I've never seen happen. So, if the compressor is turning, and the fan is on, and there is no cold air, Ed is right, probably low on refrigerant. Having it charged may do the trick. If the compressor is not turning (the hub of the clutch is stationary), then with the engine off, reach down and try to manually turn the clutch hub. You should be able to turn it and it should have some slight resistance. If you can't turn it by hand, it may be seized, in which case removing it for inspection would be appropriate.

  Basically, though, seal failure and leakage of refrigerant is the only thing that happens to these systems. Its possible for lines to crack and leak, but that is rare, again, in my experience. Its almost always the o-rings in the system. Occasionally, a siezed compressor or leaky compressor will be the cause.

  Good luck with the AC. I did a lot of AC work when I lived in Charleston, SC, where its not uncommon to need A/C, even, on occasion, during the winter.

Regards,
Ben Pender
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