[Peugeot-L] Re: 505 SD - proper fan clutch operation

From: t505sw <limonat_at_lycos.com>
Date: 04/18/06


I have the same problem on my '86 505 Turbo gas sw N9TE. I haven't taken a look though I did clean the 3 relays behind the LH head light.

George Nunez had a good explanation of:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/peugeot-L/message/41843?source=1

The usual summer time cooling probs. Peugeot Pete took the time to write a good interpretation of a/c pressure readings, here are the switch functions.
ZDJL 2.2i, N9TXX, ZN3J v6

With manual in hand, the TRINARY SWITCH (an A/C PRESSURE SENSOR) on the hi
side hose near the drier on the turbo, controls the fans and the compressor:

TRINARY.... 3 PRESSURE settings that control fans and compressor

1) at below ~22 psi cuts out compressor (not enough Freon)
2) at above ~275 psi put electric fans to hi speed
3) at above  ~350 psi cut out compressor 

COOLANT TEMP sensor on the front of the thermostat housing 1) at 220F cuts out the a/c

RAD FAN SWITCH on rad by air filter (3 versions: cooler, std, and hotter ):
1) turn on electric fans on low and engage the clutchable fan at first temp
of ( 82C=180F cooler) or 88C=190F std) 2) at 92C=198F std. fans go to hi speed ( the first contacts remain closed)

How do I tell if the relays are good?

Cheers,

  --L

  • In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Rodgers" <brians.outfit@...> wrote:
    >
    > Mind that my car is a 1981 505s Turbo Diesel
    > But yeah, the belt driven fan is connected to the same relay as the
    aux fan.
    > I almost took the fan clutch apart until I realised it has an electric
    > clutch. I found the wire going to the fan and put 12VDC to it while the
    > engine was off, bingo the clutch kicked in and the fan was solid (not
    > turning) with the belt.
    > I hope this helps.
    > I have received so much help from this group it feels really great
    to give
    > something back.
    > Brian Rodgers
    >
    > On 4/17/06, blade44m <zaphod44@...> wrote:
    > >
    > > So what you're saying is that the belt driven fan only comes on along
    > > with the electric fan? If that's the case, the sensor is probably
    > > good since my electric fan works fine. I'll check the belt fan next
    > > time the electric one comes on. I thought the fan clutch was purely
    > > mechanical...my truck has kind of a reverse centrifucal clutch...the
    > > fan spins whenever the vehicle idles, and stops while you drive.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Rodgers" <brians.outfit@>
    > > wrote:
    > > >
    > > > I have worked on this issue.
    > > > There is a thermo switch on the left side of the radiator. When
    > > energized by
    > > > hot coolant it switches on both the electric fan and the electric
    > > clutch on
    > > > the belt driven fan. Fix it before you are dealing with leaking
    > > head gasket
    > > > issues like I am. I bypassed mine to test it. Simply remove the two
    > > pushon
    > > > plugs and tie them together with a jumper wire. The fans should all
    > > turn on.
    > > > Replace the thermo-switch. Which reminds me, I need one too. I
    > > disconnected
    > > > the auxiliary fan and am running the belt driven fan constantly.
    > > This keeps
    > > > the engine from over-heating but probably not the proper engine
    > > temp.
    > > > Brian Rodgers
    > > >
    > > > On 4/17/06, blade44m <zaphod44@> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Hey guys-
    > > > >
    > > > > I think I'm having problems with the fan clutch in my 1980 505
    > > SD. It
    > > > > seems like the fan never spins. Even with the car warmed up and
    > > > > idling, I can stop it with my finger. When exactly is this fan
    > > > > supposed to engage and disengage, and how can I test it? The car
    > > runs
    > > > > at the proper temp while moving, but as soon as I stop, the temp
    > > goes
    > > > > up the the middle line and the electric fan kicks in to cool it
    > > > > down...but I don't think this should be needed in the winter.
    > > > > Thanks in advance for the advice....
    > >
    >
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    >
    >
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