Snidey....is that YOU!
It's me with the 45 Clipper!
If yes, the reason you had problems with the brakes was there was no air
tank to to drain and the slack adjusters are way different oin a French car
with juice brakes.
Some of your problems are due to Haynes manuals leave a lot to be desired
and have numerous mistakes, you paid too much for one that may be written
for cars with the steering wheel on the wrong side. I think you have
Kjet/CIS injection.
On most CIS/Kjet the throttle should be almost closed. The idle is adjusted
with a plastic knurl knob or metal tapered screw that allows air past the
throttle for idle speed air. OR it has an idle speed motor (valve with 2
wires around throttle which could also be a throttle valve to increase rpm
w/AC as some cars have).
Best Regards
David A.Hueppchen
OJ Rallye Automotive
Plymouth, WI USA
www.vclassics.com/ojrallye.htm
www.vclassics.com/ojrally2.htm
"Racing makes heroin addiction look like a vague wish for something
salty."--Peter Egan
- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Snidal" <snidey@look.ca>
To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: [Peugeot-L] Getting a few things figured out
> Shortly after joining this list, I came across a few problems with my
> 505 that didn't seem to be from the same planet as the ones they
> wrote about in the Haynes manual (which I obtained at great expense
> and with a similar good deal of trouble from the only source I could
> find on the web - in the UK. Dam thing ended up costing over
> $80.00, for a disappointingly tacky newsprint book from as mentioned
> before, some other planet.)
>
> It covers two fuel injection systems. Both Jetronic, neither mine.
> Mine has the air filter on the left side of the engine, rather than
> with a crossover induction pipe to a right-side location as shown in
> the pulp fiction manual I have. Mine also has a distribution pump
> with 4 output lines going to what I presume are four port injectors
> located at the point at which the induction manifold connects to the
> head. It has a throttle bypass valve around the butterfly housing,
> with two wires connecting it to somewhere - the computer,
> presumably. I have no idea how to set the idle down below the
> 1800-2000 it currently seems to prefer.
>
> If anyone has a manual which covers adjustments of this system, I
> would really appreciate photocopies of the appropriate pages - or
> scans. I'd be more than happy to pay costs.
>
> I also whined about the poor instructions for replacing the rear
> brake pads. Here's what I said about the subject in an email this
> morning to my only Peugot Pal - the DPO of my car Pierre Peugot:
>
> -----------
>
> There are two Jetronic systems. Appears they use ONE injector, which
> is in the airflow through a sensing venturi-like "plate" which moves
> with airflow volume. I gather Its movement is electronically sensed
> to signal the computer to make variations in fuel delivery to this
> single injector. Kind of an electronic carburetor. I guess it's what
> they came up with between wine breaks. Or maybe during. Or shortly after.
>
> Meanwhile, the Scotch drinkers came up with timed-port
> injection. Fuel is distributed through a pump with an output line
> for each port - much like an injector pump for a diesel. An injector
> located just an inch or so from the valve lets a squirt go during the
> duration of the intake valve opening. How long a squirt is
> determined by the computer, which is reading the news from various
> sensors about engine temperature, exhaust composition, rpm, and
> throttle opening - as does the Jetronic computer, one assumes.
>
> The end effect is the same, but the little pictures and dwgs that
> show the screws to tweak to adjust idle speed and rpm and such are
> rather different. For example, the port injector system also
> utilizes a throttle butterfly bypass valve to adjust idle speed. I
> imagine it's electronically controlled by the injector. I have
> located the valve, but have no idea how to ask the computer to turn
> it down from the 1800-2000 at which it often sits. There is not
> apparent external adjustment, just a pair of wires connected to it.
>
> So, as you see, there are 3 known possible "fuel injection" systems
> so far. There are two Jetronic systems covered in my useless manual
> - the K-Jetronic and the other one is called I think just plain
> Jetronic. they both have the air filter on the right side of the
> engine; Pierre's is tucked down on the left.
>
> I finally puzzled out the disk brake adjuster system so I could get
> the new pads in the rear. Book says to turn the piston 45 degrees
> ccw, push piston home, then turn it back cw 45 degrees, and pop in
> the pads. Yeah, right. What it should have said is pop in outer
> pad, then find the combination for the piston by turning it about 45
> degrees either direction - there are 4 possible positions in which it
> will move into the other piston, but it's gotta be right within a
> degree or so. Keep trying, moving it just a bit at a time, until you
> find it lets go and slides in there. It will FEEL like you hit it
> the first time if you didn't plug up the outer hole with a fresh pad,
> as the whole caliper will slide back with the still-locked
> -together piston pair. But true inter-piston sliding will happen if
> the outer pad is there to prevent the caliper from sliding and giving
> you the false reading. Then, once the piston actually DOES move into
> the other one, you turn it about 45 degrees in either direction to
> lock 'em up again - opposite to what you just did is the most
> logical. More or less than 45 from the movement position will still
> work, but exact 45 will mean that next time it'll be more likely that
> 45 will work to open the movement possibities up again.
>
> Big difference. Took me about 5 hours to figure out the combination,
> after which I did the first one (that worked!) in about 5 minutes,
> and the other in another 5. I'm sure glad I wasn't paying Sam or Abe
> or some other local "AST" to figure it out!
>
> ---------
>
> "Now you have all the information I have"
> - (Baba Ram Dass, 1969)
>
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