Hello
do any of you have an air conditioner trinary switch for a very late
model 505
it's mounted near the receiver/filter drier in front of the battery
behind the driver's side headlight (and it's upside down)
this is the one with only a connector plug on the top NOT a pigtail
706 540-3285 if you have one or email me directly
my wife demands that i fix this ASAP or else something
thanks,
xx rick
Rick Hawkins
www.javaphoto.com
www.javacycles.com
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Java Photo
Java Bajaj Cycles
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Athens, Georgia 30607
706 354-0988 3-6 pm or later (eastern time)
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> 1. Re: Getting a few things figured out
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> 2. Re: Getting a few things figured out
> From: "Karydas" karydas@hol.gr
> 3. Re: Getting a few things figured out
> From: "David A. Hueppchen" ojrallye@excel.net
> 4. 505 V6 or 405 Mi16
> From: "nathan_aschbacher" naschbac@gonzaga.edu
> 5. FW: [Peugeot-L] Digest Number 2309
> From: "Kevin Bouffiou" kbouffiou@comcast.net
> 6. Re: Peugeots Return to the US? (Japan)
> From: "peugeotvoittaja" jarvinenjp@hotmail.com
> 7. 505 V6?
> From: "Francis Dutton" francisd@aapt.net.au
> 8. Re: 505 V6 or 405 Mi16
> From: "Paul Hughes" pjphughes@yahoo.com
> 9. Re: 505 V6?
> From: "Pug NZ" pug-yahoo2@azorah.co.nz
> 10. Re: 505 V6 or 405 Mi16
> From: "Bob Bruce" bobbruce@mts.net
> 11. FW: [Peugeot-L] Digest Number 2309
> From: "Kevin Bouffiou" kbouffiou@comcast.net
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> Message 1
> From: "Ben Pender" ben_pender@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu May 25, 2006 3:48pm(PDT)
> Subject: Re: Getting a few things figured out
>
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for that. And Karydas, Bosch K-Jet or CIS
> also has some wires, but, it, too, is mechanical.
>
> Regards,
> Ben Pender
>
> --- p404c <tippett@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Karydas"
>> <karydas@...> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the last Peugeot with a KF system was the 504
>> TI. Early US
>> 505s (1971 cc) have Bosch K-Jetronic IIRC.
>>
>> Mike Tippett
>> 404 CKF2
>> 405 DL
>> smart fortwo cdi pulse cabriolet
>>
>>>
>>> The Kugelfischer is mechanical, he mentioned wires
>> for his system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com]
>> On Behalf
>>> Of Ben Pender
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:41 AM
>>> To: PeugeotGroup
>>> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Getting a few things
>> figured out
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete,
>>>
>>> Sounds like you have the Kugelfischer injection
>>> system. I believe its similar to the Spica system
>>> used on Alfa Romeos.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ben Pender
>>>
>>>
>>> --- N9TE <Fujitsu@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>>
>>>> Aside from the 1 e-mail you have below, I only
>> found
>>>> one other listposting
>>>> from in my current inbox which only goes back to
>>>> jan-03. In neither does it
>>>> mention the model and year of the car.
>>>>
>>>> Such would be somewhat required information for
>>>> others to help you with your
>>>> idle issue.
>>>>
>>>> Year, model, engine, country-spec (I'm assuming
>>>> North American -
>>>> "outlook.ca"?)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Koll
>>>> 87 S 5 sp
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Pete Snidal" <snidey@...>
>>>> To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:46 AM
>>>> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Getting a few things
>> figured
>>>> out
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shortly after joining this list, I came across a
>> few
>>>> problems with my
>>>> 505 that didn't seem to be from the same planet
>> as
>>>> the ones they
>>>> wrote about in the Haynes manual (which I
>> obtained
>>>> at great expense
>>>> and with a similar good deal of trouble from the
>>>> only source I could
>>>> find on the web - in the UK. Dam thing ended up
>>>> costing over
>>>> $80.00, for a disappointingly tacky newsprint
>> book
>>>> from as mentioned
>>>> before, some other planet.)
>>>>
>>>> It covers two fuel injection systems. Both
>>>> Jetronic, neither mine.
>>>> Mine has the air filter on the left side of the
>>>> engine, rather than
>>>> with a crossover induction pipe to a right-side
>>>> location as shown in
>>>> the pulp fiction manual I have. Mine also has a
>>>> distribution pump
>>>> with 4 output lines going to what I presume are
>> four
>>>> port injectors
>>>> located at the point at which the induction
>> manifold
>>>> connects to the
>>>> head. It has a throttle bypass valve around the
>>>> butterfly housing,
>>>> with two wires connecting it to somewhere - the
>>>> computer,
>>>> presumably. I have no idea how to set the idle
>> down
>>>> below the
>>>> 1800-2000 it currently seems to prefer.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has a manual which covers adjustments
>> of
>>>> this system, I
>>>> would really appreciate photocopies of the
>>>> appropriate pages - or
>>>> scans. I'd be more than happy to pay costs.
>>>>
>>>>
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> From: "Karydas" karydas@hol.gr
> Date: Thu May 25, 2006 3:52pm(PDT)
> Subject: Re: Getting a few things figured out
>
> And indeed you may be correct about wires on the K-jet, but you
> mentioned
> the Kugelfischer and that has no wires.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Ben Pender
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:48 AM
> To: PeugeotGroup
> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: Getting a few things figured out
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for that. And Karydas, Bosch K-Jet or CIS
> also has some wires, but, it, too, is mechanical.
>
> Regards,
> Ben Pender
>
> --- p404c <tippett@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Karydas"
>> <karydas@...> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the last Peugeot with a KF system was the 504
>> TI. Early US
>> 505s (1971 cc) have Bosch K-Jetronic IIRC.
>>
>> Mike Tippett
>> 404 CKF2
>> 405 DL
>> smart fortwo cdi pulse cabriolet
>>
>>>
>>> The Kugelfischer is mechanical, he mentioned wires
>> for his system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com]
>> On Behalf
>>> Of Ben Pender
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:41 AM
>>> To: PeugeotGroup
>>> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Getting a few things
>> figured out
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete,
>>>
>>> Sounds like you have the Kugelfischer injection
>>> system. I believe its similar to the Spica system
>>> used on Alfa Romeos.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ben Pender
>>>
>>>
>>> --- N9TE <Fujitsu@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>>
>>>> Aside from the 1 e-mail you have below, I only
>> found
>>>> one other listposting
>>>> from in my current inbox which only goes back to
>>>> jan-03. In neither does it
>>>> mention the model and year of the car.
>>>>
>>>> Such would be somewhat required information for
>>>> others to help you with your
>>>> idle issue.
>>>>
>>>> Year, model, engine, country-spec (I'm assuming
>>>> North American -
>>>> "outlook.ca"?)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Koll
>>>> 87 S 5 sp
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Pete Snidal" <snidey@...>
>>>> To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:46 AM
>>>> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Getting a few things
>> figured
>>>> out
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shortly after joining this list, I came across a
>> few
>>>> problems with my
>>>> 505 that didn't seem to be from the same planet
>> as
>>>> the ones they
>>>> wrote about in the Haynes manual (which I
>> obtained
>>>> at great expense
>>>> and with a similar good deal of trouble from the
>>>> only source I could
>>>> find on the web - in the UK. Dam thing ended up
>>>> costing over
>>>> $80.00, for a disappointingly tacky newsprint
>> book
>>>> from as mentioned
>>>> before, some other planet.)
>>>>
>>>> It covers two fuel injection systems. Both
>>>> Jetronic, neither mine.
>>>> Mine has the air filter on the left side of the
>>>> engine, rather than
>>>> with a crossover induction pipe to a right-side
>>>> location as shown in
>>>> the pulp fiction manual I have. Mine also has a
>>>> distribution pump
>>>> with 4 output lines going to what I presume are
>> four
>>>> port injectors
>>>> located at the point at which the induction
>> manifold
>>>> connects to the
>>>> head. It has a throttle bypass valve around the
>>>> butterfly housing,
>>>> with two wires connecting it to somewhere - the
>>>> computer,
>>>> presumably. I have no idea how to set the idle
>> down
>>>> below the
>>>> 1800-2000 it currently seems to prefer.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has a manual which covers adjustments
>> of
>>>> this system, I
>>>> would really appreciate photocopies of the
>>>> appropriate pages - or
>>>> scans. I'd be more than happy to pay costs.
>>>>
>>>>
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> From: "David A. Hueppchen" ojrallye@excel.net
> Date: Thu May 25, 2006 5:02pm(PDT)
> Subject: Re: Getting a few things figured out
>
> Snidey....is that YOU!
> It's me with the 45 Clipper!
>
> If yes, the reason you had problems with the brakes was there was no
> air
> tank to to drain and the slack adjusters are way different oin a
> French car
> with juice brakes.
>
> Some of your problems are due to Haynes manuals leave a lot to be
> desired
> and have numerous mistakes, you paid too much for one that may be
> written
> for cars with the steering wheel on the wrong side. I think you have
> Kjet/CIS injection.
> On most CIS/Kjet the throttle should be almost closed. The idle is
> adjusted
> with a plastic knurl knob or metal tapered screw that allows air past
> the
> throttle for idle speed air. OR it has an idle speed motor (valve with
> 2
> wires around throttle which could also be a throttle valve to increase
> rpm
> w/AC as some cars have).
>
> Best Regards
> David A.Hueppchen
> OJ Rallye Automotive
> Plymouth, WI USA
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> www.vclassics.com/ojrally2.htm
>
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> salty."--Peter Egan
>
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> From: "Pete Snidal" <snidey@look.ca>
> To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:46 AM
> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Getting a few things figured out
>
>
>> Shortly after joining this list, I came across a few problems with my
>> 505 that didn't seem to be from the same planet as the ones they
>> wrote about in the Haynes manual (which I obtained at great expense
>> and with a similar good deal of trouble from the only source I could
>> find on the web - in the UK. Dam thing ended up costing over
>> $80.00, for a disappointingly tacky newsprint book from as mentioned
>> before, some other planet.)
>>
>> It covers two fuel injection systems. Both Jetronic, neither mine.
>> Mine has the air filter on the left side of the engine, rather than
>> with a crossover induction pipe to a right-side location as shown in
>> the pulp fiction manual I have. Mine also has a distribution pump
>> with 4 output lines going to what I presume are four port injectors
>> located at the point at which the induction manifold connects to the
>> head. It has a throttle bypass valve around the butterfly housing,
>> with two wires connecting it to somewhere - the computer,
>> presumably. I have no idea how to set the idle down below the
>> 1800-2000 it currently seems to prefer.
>>
>> If anyone has a manual which covers adjustments of this system, I
>> would really appreciate photocopies of the appropriate pages - or
>> scans. I'd be more than happy to pay costs.
>>
>> I also whined about the poor instructions for replacing the rear
>> brake pads. Here's what I said about the subject in an email this
>> morning to my only Peugot Pal - the DPO of my car Pierre Peugot:
>>
>> -----------
>>
>> There are two Jetronic systems. Appears they use ONE injector, which
>> is in the airflow through a sensing venturi-like "plate" which moves
>> with airflow volume. I gather Its movement is electronically sensed
>> to signal the computer to make variations in fuel delivery to this
>> single injector. Kind of an electronic carburetor. I guess it's what
>> they came up with between wine breaks. Or maybe during. Or shortly
>> after.
>>
>> Meanwhile, the Scotch drinkers came up with timed-port
>> injection. Fuel is distributed through a pump with an output line
>> for each port - much like an injector pump for a diesel. An injector
>> located just an inch or so from the valve lets a squirt go during the
>> duration of the intake valve opening. How long a squirt is
>> determined by the computer, which is reading the news from various
>> sensors about engine temperature, exhaust composition, rpm, and
>> throttle opening - as does the Jetronic computer, one assumes.
>>
>> The end effect is the same, but the little pictures and dwgs that
>> show the screws to tweak to adjust idle speed and rpm and such are
>> rather different. For example, the port injector system also
>> utilizes a throttle butterfly bypass valve to adjust idle speed. I
>> imagine it's electronically controlled by the injector. I have
>> located the valve, but have no idea how to ask the computer to turn
>> it down from the 1800-2000 at which it often sits. There is not
>> apparent external adjustment, just a pair of wires connected to it.
>>
>> So, as you see, there are 3 known possible "fuel injection" systems
>> so far. There are two Jetronic systems covered in my useless manual
>> - the K-Jetronic and the other one is called I think just plain
>> Jetronic. they both have the air filter on the right side of the
>> engine; Pierre's is tucked down on the left.
>>
>> I finally puzzled out the disk brake adjuster system so I could get
>> the new pads in the rear. Book says to turn the piston 45 degrees
>> ccw, push piston home, then turn it back cw 45 degrees, and pop in
>> the pads. Yeah, right. What it should have said is pop in outer
>> pad, then find the combination for the piston by turning it about 45
>> degrees either direction - there are 4 possible positions in which it
>> will move into the other piston, but it's gotta be right within a
>> degree or so. Keep trying, moving it just a bit at a time, until you
>> find it lets go and slides in there. It will FEEL like you hit it
>> the first time if you didn't plug up the outer hole with a fresh pad,
>> as the whole caliper will slide back with the still-locked
>> -together piston pair. But true inter-piston sliding will happen if
>> the outer pad is there to prevent the caliper from sliding and giving
>> you the false reading. Then, once the piston actually DOES move into
>> the other one, you turn it about 45 degrees in either direction to
>> lock 'em up again - opposite to what you just did is the most
>> logical. More or less than 45 from the movement position will still
>> work, but exact 45 will mean that next time it'll be more likely that
>> 45 will work to open the movement possibities up again.
>>
>> Big difference. Took me about 5 hours to figure out the combination,
>> after which I did the first one (that worked!) in about 5 minutes,
>> and the other in another 5. I'm sure glad I wasn't paying Sam or Abe
>> or some other local "AST" to figure it out!
>>
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> From: "nathan_aschbacher" naschbac@gonzaga.edu
> Date: Thu May 25, 2006 9:34pm(PDT)
> Subject: 505 V6 or 405 Mi16
>
> From a reliability, fun factor, and general fit and feel which car
> would you go for and why?
>
> Consider each is in great condition, and currently doesn't need
> anything done to them.
>
> -Nathan
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> Date: Thu May 25, 2006 10:18pm(PDT)
> Subject: FW: [Peugeot-L] Digest Number 2309
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> Message 6
> From: "peugeotvoittaja" jarvinenjp@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri May 26, 2006 1:06am(PDT)
> Subject: Re: Peugeots Return to the US? (Japan)
>
> "He said PSA had no plans to expand in JAPAN or the United States"
>
> PSA Peugeot Citroen sells quite well in Japan. Are the Peugeot
> executives aware of that?
>
> Is that how well execs know their company?
>
> http://www.peugeot.com/en/pays/default.htm
>
> http://www.peugeot.co.jp/index.html
>
> http://www.citroen.co.jp/top.html
>
> Both 307CC cabriolet and 206CC are selling like hotcakes in Japan.
> They have just introduced the facelifted 307 in Japan...
> Citroen C2 is success in Japan.
>
>
> Pasi from Finland (where just introduced 207 sells like hotcakes)
> 405 SRi
> 309 GT
> 305 GL
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "N9TE" <Fujitsu@...> wrote:
>>
>> CLF (Charlie Brown, Lucy, Football)
>>
>> Read your own source:
>>
>> He said PSA had no plans to expand in Japan or the United States
> but that
>> "the return of PSA to the U.S. market is a very big challenge ...
> but I hope
>> we can take that on in the not too distance future".
>>
>> There are no plans. It's just something that's said twice a year
> to keep
>> stockholders happy and a few of us on the edges of our seats.
>>
>> K o l l
>> 87 S 5 sp
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Otis Keith" <orkeith@...>
>> To: "Peugeot-L" <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:42 AM
>> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Peugeots Return to the US?
>>
>>
>>> Am I reading this right? I found this on: (You might have to
> join to
>>> view.)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
> AID=/20060524/REUTERS/60524002/1003/newsletter06&refsect=newsletter06
>>>
>>> PSA Chairman Thierry Peugeot said: "the return of PSA to the
> U.S. market
>>> is a very big challenge ... but I hope we can take that on in
> the not too
>>> distance future".
>>>
>>> Can we take this to mean that there are plans in progress to
> return?
>>
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> Message 7
> From: "Francis Dutton" francisd@aapt.net.au
> Date: Fri May 26, 2006 1:54am(PDT)
> Subject: 505 V6?
>
> Can I ask a dumb question... is the V6 in the 505 the same as the V6 in
> the old 604? And what is the "turbo" people keep referring to? None of
> these ever turned up in Australia, as far as I know.
>
> cheers-
>
> Francis D.
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> Message 8
> From: "Paul Hughes" pjphughes@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri May 26, 2006 2:38am(PDT)
> Subject: Re: 505 V6 or 405 Mi16
>
> Both are very different cars...rear drive V6 versus light, front drive
> high revving four cylinder.
>
> The 505 is built better, but in my opinion, the Mi16 is more fun to
> drive...still ranks as one of the best handling front drive cars I've
> ever driven. It's also a good car at current fuel price rates..I've
> seen upwards of 34-35mpg on certain highway trips (at 65mph and no A/C
> on). I get 22-23 around town...
>
> My Mi16 has 90K on it now...has seen a lot of restoration work (and
> preventative maintenance) and with every $ I have spent, I've seen the
> car get closer to "like new." My biggest qualm with the 405 is the
> crappy interior build quality....be prepared to do a LOT of
> creak/squeak control...I've done a lot on my car, and it's come a long
> way...but I had to put small screws in the upper door panels, lots of
> felt and rubber backing on all sorts of trim pieces, etc.
>
> That being said, I will be buried in it....I've owned it longer than
> any other car...coming up on over 6 years now...bought it in 2000 and
> is still my favorite car to take out on the twisty roads....
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: nathan_aschbacher <naschbac@gonzaga.edu>
> To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:34:35 AM
> Subject: [Peugeot-L] 505 V6 or 405 Mi16
>
> From a reliability, fun factor, and general fit and feel which car
> would you go for and why?
>
> Consider each is in great condition, and currently doesn't need
> anything done to them.
>
> -Nathan
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> Message 9
> From: "Pug NZ" pug-yahoo2@azorah.co.nz
> Date: Fri May 26, 2006 4:11am(PDT)
> Subject: Re: 505 V6?
>
> Yes and no.
> Most of the 604s had the 2664cc V6 with either the lovely single/twin
> carb set up, or, if you are lucky, the K-jectronic fuel injection.
> The last of the 604s had the 2849cc V6 (same as the 505) but with K-jet
> fuel injection.
> The 505 has 2849cc with L-jet injection.
>
> The turbo model sounds great, but since the turbo lives right where the
> RHD steering column goes to meet the steering rack, I believe it was
> only produced in LHD. Too bad for us down under.
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
> Francis Dutton wrote:
>
>> Can I ask a dumb question... is the V6 in the 505 the same as the V6
>> in
>> the old 604? And what is the "turbo" people keep referring to? None of
>> these ever turned up in Australia, as far as I know.
>>
>> cheers-
>>
>> Francis D.
>>
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> Message 10
> From: "Bob Bruce" bobbruce@mts.net
> Date: Fri May 26, 2006 5:35am(PDT)
> Subject: Re: 505 V6 or 405 Mi16
>
> I would go for both
> Sort of like Cadillac and a sports car
> If you own elderly Peugeots you need backups
> Then another of each for spare parts
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nathan_aschbacher
> To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:34 PM
> Subject: [Peugeot-L] 505 V6 or 405 Mi16
>
>
> From a reliability, fun factor, and general fit and feel which car
> would you go for and why?
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> Consider each is in great condition, and currently doesn't need
> anything done to them.
>
> -Nathan
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> Message 11
> From: "Kevin Bouffiou" kbouffiou@comcast.net
> Date: Fri May 26, 2006 9:26am(PDT)
> Subject: FW: [Peugeot-L] Digest Number 2309
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>
> I just returned to Seattle from Arlington, Va. via Lake of the Ozarks
> in
> Missouri in a 1989 505 V6 S 5 speed that I purchased from Anup Pahari
> in
> Virginia. The car performed flawlessly and even got 28 miles to the
> gallon
> in one tank across the Continental Divide. Most of you geography
> majors
> realize that the Continental Divide runs pretty far downhill going
> West but
> it was a glorious feeling to do the calculation and come up with that
> number
> for that engine.
>
>
>
> The car never had any temperature issue and suffers from a few cosmetic
> blems but otherwise is the best ride I have taken in a long time. The
> key
> word is comfortable. I need a few parts if any of you have them. I
> require
> the left rear door handle, the headlight control stalk, the little
> sensor
> cover that goes in the dash on the passenger side and if anyone has
> one the
> grommet that shields the antenna strange grommet but it is verticle
> on the
> 89). These are the only bad or missing parts. I also need a water
> pump for
> my other 505 which is a 1989 V6 GLX 2.8 automatic (new or used is fine
> as
> long as you know it was working). I will have to redo the brightworks
> of the
> trim and it needs paint on the hood and trunk.
>
>
>
> I was scared to death somewhere in Virginia or Kentucky when I saw a
> piece
> of rubber that looked suspiciously like a belt pass under the left rear
> wheel. Almost simultaneously I experienced an hellacious racket but
> the
> sensors continued to read good temps so I continued to the next exit
> where,
> wonder of wonders there was a full size garage with automotive service
> (it
> must be one of the last ones in America). I popped the hood saw my
> belt in
> place, and walked in side to if someone could look at it. While
> walking
> back out I noticed the source of the din. The windshield on the roof
> for
> the sunroof had come completely free on one side and the thing was
> flapping
> in the 80 mile per hour wind I was generating at one of slower freeway
> speeds. This car did a 7 to 8% grade coming up the western side of the
> Columbia River gorge for 8 or 9 miles at 80-85. It took a couple of
> gallons
> of gas but the temps might have moved a click and no more.
>
>
>
> This is an awesome vehicle! 3,400 miles first time in the car and
> never a
> problem.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you may lend on the parts, Kevin
> Bouffiou
>
> 1989 505 S V6 2.8 5 speed
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> 1989 505 GLX 2.8
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> 1991 405 MI16
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