Re: [Peugeot-L] Forum vs Mailing List - II

Let us speak not of splintering and scattering. The lurking presence and occasional input of each of us is what makes it possible for all to keep these marvelous and occasionally troublesome vehicles in our yards and garages -- even occasionally running! -- even occasionally running well!!

I have as much frustration with Yahoo as anyone, currently mostly on other lists and services. It seems impossible to get a response from a real human(oid) at Yahoo, when there is a problem. It is as if we would be like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, astounded when Toto pulls down the curtain revealing the Wizard, astounded to find that there is no Oz, only this odd old guy trying valiantly to run the whole show from his little booth. Maybe that is what is going on at Yahoo.

As to the mechanics of this list, I share the frustration of those who want to reply to the list without replying in addtion to the sender of the note being answered. [That sender does need two replies to her/his note!] But I accept this as one of Yahoo's idiosyncrasies, compounded, I might add by the mail programs of many of us that don't have a simple button for "Reply to On... whatever list ..." We have to go through several machinations to get the recipient we want and only that recipient into the "To" line. [Great sigh] But it still is better than snail mail or conference calls. Nothing is perfect in this still the most perfect of all imperfect worlds, and everything I do with my computer and my internet communications media is imperfect to prove the point (to me, at least).

One good thing -- I do not have to crawl under my computer with a sawzall to get some recalcitrant part removed. [Although there are times ...]

Hang in, guys and gals! There is always hope -- in our case, hope that Bill Gates and the Wizard of Yahoo yet will fix these distasteful communications issues sometime before the last of our Peugeots makes its final trip to oblivion.

Gene

• Original Message ----- From: "Ruggeri, Robert" <Robert.Ruggeri@suny.edu> To: <peugeot-l@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <webmaster@505turbo.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: RE: [Peugeot-L] Forum vs Mailing List - II

> Sorry - I hit the send button by accident......
>
> I agree with Tony O. I belong to several forums (Jaguar, music, etc.) and
don't use them nearly as mcuh as this one (or other lists I'm on) because you have to go out of your way to acccess them. Many of us have email on all day and every time someone on this list sends a message, I see it instantly. Very handy and it makes it that much easier to stay involved. That's the way the LandCruiser list is set up and people are talking back and forth all day long. That is one of the most productive car groups out there.
>
> I agree that we're on the verge of splintering and scattering a tiny group
of Peugeot owners. I own 4 of these cars and can't work on them myself. For 20 years I've been plagued by the most incompetent mechanics from Washngton DC to upstate New York and most places in between. Without this group, well-meaning supporters of the marque like me would have to trash these cars. Even getting parts is often impossible with recourse to this list.
>
> Did this all start because someone else sent an errant email to one person
instead of the whole group? Talk about the tail wagging the dog......
>
> I'm sure we can work something out
>
> Bob Ruggeri
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Tony O
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:37 PM
> To: webmaster@505turbo.com
> Cc: peugeot-l@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Forum vs Mailing List - (Was this list sucks or
> some such silliness)
>
>
> <testing, testing...is this thing on?>
>
> Just want to throw in my two cents having been a frequent member of both
types.
>
> I find that mailing lists are much more helpful in general. If you
> are willing to get email in your inbox than your interest in said
> subject is much greater and participation tends to be more regular
> than if you just post or read a forum.
>
>
> The most pertinent example I can personally give is this. I've used
> both the saabnet and peugoet L rather extensively in my time on the
> internet (96 onwards) and I find the Peugeot list to be a much more
> useful resource. Nothing against the saabnet, but despite having way
> more people who use that *forum*, the people on here are much more
> helfpul and useful. I think that is due in part to the format. That
> is not to say, there aren't some very active and useful forums, but I
> tend to think (like I mentioned) that ACTIVE participation in mailing
> list (vs passive of forums)makes the people on here much more willing
> to help or offer their opinions. In short a list format is more of a
> community and the only reason most lists turn to forums or newsgroups
> is that they have outgrown the list format.
>
> Secondly and probably even more importantly...the amount of Peugeot
> knowledge out there is decreasing everyday. We are talking about old
> cars, who everyday there are less and less of on the road. I'm sure
> all of you can remember very knowledgable and helpful peugeot owners
> who are no longer on this list because they no longer own peugeots.
> That knowledge once lost is gone forever for the most part (yeah,
> there are archives). There isn't much you can do to stop this but I
> feel that splintering off the relatively small knowledge base will
> only expedite the process. I can honestly say that if it weren't for
> this list, I wouldn't be a peugeot owner, much less have bought a
> second one.
>
> The forum idea just seems like a complete over reaction to a minor
> *problem*? because you all don't know or want to use email software
> that functions a certain way, you are willing to risk splintering an
> already small amout of knowledge and I for one think that IMO, that is
> a bad idea. What we will have is to sub par knowledge bases instead
> of one...
>
> Of course, I udnerstand that you guys will still likely do it, but I
> just ask that people *think* about it before doing so.
>
> <end soapbox mode>
> -Tony
>
> On 6/28/05, 505turbo.com webmaster <captain@505turbo.com> wrote:
> > We've been meaning to setup a forum on our site for a while now. Seeing
> > that there is in fact a demand for it, I'll try to expedite the
process.
> >
> > I'll post a link to the list when ready.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > ~webmaster@505turbo.com
> >
> >
> > On Mon, June 27, 2005 8:28 pm, Brian J White wrote:
> > > Heck, I have no objections to a forum. If someone wants to set one
> > > up... Peugeot-l has been around since 1995 was it? or 96....
> > >
> > >
> > > At 20:24 2005-06-27, coupe404 wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'd love to leave this archaic format behind too. It bites, man!
> > >> Bring on the forum!!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Woo hoo!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mike Tippett
> > >> 404 Coupé Injection
> > >> 405 DL
> > >> smart fortwo cdi cabriolet
> > >>
> > >> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Leung" <firepiston@f...>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> That's great news August. I'll be the first to sign up.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: august <august.macbeth@g...>
> > >>> Date: Monday, Jun 27, 2005 1:35 pm
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Yahoo groups or this Peugeot-L
> > >>>
> > >> sucks!!!!!!!!!!
> > >>>
> > >>> I've suggested a forum a few times but the idea always gets poo
> > >>> poo'd. BUT there is one in the works and will be available for
whoever
> > >>> wants
> > >> to use it soon.
> > >>
> > >>
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