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87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning, but battery voltag From:
alan5o5 2b.
Re: 87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning, but battery vo From:
Paul Strickland 2c.
Re: 87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning, but battery vo From:
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Re: 87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning, but battery vo From:
Paul Strickland
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ZDJL: Filter in the end of the rocker shaft? From:
Jeff C.
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off topic/ com check Posted by: "ouigpt" ouigpt@yahoo.com
ouigpt
Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:07 am (PST)
I usually receive a few postings here and there. After a week-end I get bombed instantly with a few dozen. It has been unusually quiet lately. Is it just me? Somebody please tell me a 504 bed-time story. I'm lonely. Gil
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87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning, but battery voltag Posted by: "alan5o5" alan5o5@hotmail.com
alan5o5
Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:28 am (PST)
I am experiencing some initial stalling when I first drive off in the morning. Initially I chocked it up as low voltage output from the alternator and/or a weak battery from A/C and high-watt H4 bulbs. I purchased a multimeter to experiment and found the following. In the morning before I start I will let the ABS system pump up. With the battery showing about 12.50 volts, the ABS pump will drop it down bellow 12 to approx 11.40 or less. With the multimeter still on I crank it and watch the volts drop down to about 10 volts until started. When started it will immediately jump to about 13.40 to 13.65. When I shift into drive and start to pull out it bumps up a little higher. It tries to stall when I apply the brake after a few feet. As soon as I felt a stall I glanced over at the multimeter and it was still showing 13+ volts. Strange. Once I pull out on the road the voltage shoots up to about 14.30 to 14.55. (This is without the A/C, fan blower, radio, lights, etc being on) At times
the detonation light will start to blink. I stop and turn off the car and then start it back up. The detonation light will go off and remain off. The voltage will also drop to below 14, and remains in the 13.30+ range. One other thing worth mentioning is the electric fan will come on when the ignition is turned on, even though the ECO button is engaged and the A/C off. When this happened yesterday afternoon, the A/C CPU relay buzzed for a second. (The old ECU relay burned out, this unit is a new
one) This morning it occurred again (minus the ECU relay buzz), and I
was able to turn off the electric fan off by engaging the A/C, and
then turning it off.
So could this be a grounding issue?
Is the alternator pumping out too much power?
Could the battery be bad? (Less than 9 months old)
I'm rather stumped..
-Alan
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Re: 87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning, but battery vo Posted by: "Paul Strickland" pstrickl@suffolk.lib.ny.us pstrickla
Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:00 am (PST)
Alan,
Interesting! How many flashes do you get when this happens ?
I have had similar problems. I would get 4 flashes, indicating the NC
temp. sensor. Put on a new connector and the thing would still be
intermittent. When it would happen, the car would run like crap.
Now for the last few weeks, the problem has gone away and the car runs
like new with 160K.
I have measured 4 or 5 87 STX and they all have low voltage, never
going above 13.6 volts. Someone on the list here has stated that the
wiring from the alternator is inadequate. I have yet to go directly to
the alternator to measure the voltage. It is under the car.
Paul
87 STI 5 sp
85 N9T 5 sp
alan5o5 wrote: I am experiencing some initial stalling when I first
drive off in the
morning. Initially I chocked it up as low voltage output from the
alternator and/or a weak battery from A/C and high-watt H4 bulbs.
I purchased a multimeter to experiment and found the following.
In the morning before I start I will let the ABS system pump up. With
the battery showing about 12.50 volts, the ABS pump will drop it down
bellow 12 to approx 11.40 or less. With the multimeter still on I
crank it and watch the volts drop down to about 10 volts until started.
When started it will immediately jump to about 13.40 to 13.65. When I
shift into drive and start to pull out it bumps up a little higher. It
tries to stall when I apply the brake after a few feet. As soon as I
felt a stall I glanced over at the multimeter and it was still showing
13+ volts. Strange.
Once I pull out on the road the voltage shoots up to about 14.30 to
14.55. (This is without the A/C, fan blower, radio, lights, etc being
on) At times the detonation light will start to blink. I stop and turn
off the car and then start it back up. The detonation light will go
off and remain off. The voltage will also drop to below 14, and
remains in the 13.30+ range.
One other thing worth mentioning is the electric fan will come on when
the ignition is turned on, even though the ECO button is engaged and
the A/C off. When this happened yesterday afternoon, the A/C CPU relay
buzzed for a second. (The old ECU relay burned out, this unit is a new
one) This morning it occurred again (minus the ECU relay buzz), and I
was able to turn off the electric fan off by engaging the A/C, and
then turning it off.
So could this be a grounding issue?
Is the alternator pumping out too much power?
Could the battery be bad? (Less than 9 months old)
I'm rather stumped..
-Alan
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Re: 87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning, but battery vo Posted by: "Karydas" karydas@hol.gr pkarydas
Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:04 am (PST)
Did you check your oxygen sensor?
Thanos
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Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: 87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning,
but battery voltage not low
Alan,
Interesting! How many flashes do you get when this happens ?
I have had similar problems. I would get 4 flashes, indicating the NC
temp. sensor. Put on a new connector and the thing would still be
intermittent. When it would happen, the car would run like crap.
Now for the last few weeks, the problem has gone away and the car runs
like new with 160K.
I have measured 4 or 5 87 STX and they all have low voltage, never
going above 13.6 volts. Someone on the list here has stated that the
wiring from the alternator is inadequate. I have yet to go directly to
the alternator to measure the voltage. It is under the car.
Paul
87 STI 5 sp
85 N9T 5 sp
alan5o5 wrote: I am experiencing some initial stalling when I first
drive off in the
morning. Initially I chocked it up as low voltage output from the
alternator and/or a weak battery from A/C and high-watt H4 bulbs.
I purchased a multimeter to experiment and found the following.
In the morning before I start I will let the ABS system pump up. With
the battery showing about 12.50 volts, the ABS pump will drop it down
bellow 12 to approx 11.40 or less. With the multimeter still on I
crank it and watch the volts drop down to about 10 volts until started.
When started it will immediately jump to about 13.40 to 13.65. When I
shift into drive and start to pull out it bumps up a little higher. It
tries to stall when I apply the brake after a few feet. As soon as I
felt a stall I glanced over at the multimeter and it was still showing
13+ volts. Strange.
Once I pull out on the road the voltage shoots up to about 14.30 to
14.55. (This is without the A/C, fan blower, radio, lights, etc being
on) At times the detonation light will start to blink. I stop and turn
off the car and then start it back up. The detonation light will go
off and remain off. The voltage will also drop to below 14, and
remains in the 13.30+ range.
One other thing worth mentioning is the electric fan will come on when
the ignition is turned on, even though the ECO button is engaged and
the A/C off. When this happened yesterday afternoon, the A/C CPU relay
buzzed for a second. (The old ECU relay burned out, this unit is a new
one) This morning it occurred again (minus the ECU relay buzz), and I
was able to turn off the electric fan off by engaging the A/C, and
then turning it off.
So could this be a grounding issue?
Is the alternator pumping out too much power?
Could the battery be bad? (Less than 9 months old)
I'm rather stumped..
-Alan
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Re: 87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning, but battery vo Posted by: "alan5o5" alan5o5@hotmail.com alan5o5
Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:01 am (PST)
I believe it is 4 flashes. When you say NC temp sensor, you are
referring to the coolant temperature sensor, correct? This is the
sensor that is located in that convenient place on the back of the
engine, correct? (v6)
-Alan
- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, Paul Strickland <pstrickl@...> wrote:
>
> Alan,
>
> Interesting! How many flashes do you get when this happens ?
>
> I have had similar problems. I would get 4 flashes, indicating the NC
> temp. sensor. Put on a new connector and the thing would still be
> intermittent. When it would happen, the car would run like crap.
>
> Now for the last few weeks, the problem has gone away and the car runs
> like new with 160K.
>
> I have measured 4 or 5 87 STX and they all have low voltage, never
> going above 13.6 volts. Someone on the list here has stated that the
> wiring from the alternator is inadequate. I have yet to go directly to
> the alternator to measure the voltage. It is under the car.
>
> Paul
> 87 STI 5 sp
> 85 N9T 5 sp
>
> alan5o5 wrote: I am experiencing some initial stalling when I first
> drive off in the
> morning. Initially I chocked it up as low voltage output from the
> alternator and/or a weak battery from A/C and high-watt H4 bulbs.
>
> I purchased a multimeter to experiment and found the following.
>
> In the morning before I start I will let the ABS system pump up. With
> the battery showing about 12.50 volts, the ABS pump will drop it down
> bellow 12 to approx 11.40 or less. With the multimeter still on I
> crank it and watch the volts drop down to about 10 volts until started.
>
> When started it will immediately jump to about 13.40 to 13.65. When I
> shift into drive and start to pull out it bumps up a little higher. It
> tries to stall when I apply the brake after a few feet. As soon as I
> felt a stall I glanced over at the multimeter and it was still showing
> 13+ volts. Strange.
>
> Once I pull out on the road the voltage shoots up to about 14.30 to
> 14.55. (This is without the A/C, fan blower, radio, lights, etc being
> on) At times the detonation light will start to blink. I stop and turn
> off the car and then start it back up. The detonation light will go
> off and remain off. The voltage will also drop to below 14, and
> remains in the 13.30+ range.
>
> One other thing worth mentioning is the electric fan will come on when
> the ignition is turned on, even though the ECO button is engaged and
> the A/C off. When this happened yesterday afternoon, the A/C CPU relay
> buzzed for a second. (The old ECU relay burned out, this unit is a new
> one) This morning it occurred again (minus the ECU relay buzz), and I
> was able to turn off the electric fan off by engaging the A/C, and
> then turning it off.
>
> So could this be a grounding issue?
>
> Is the alternator pumping out too much power?
>
> Could the battery be bad? (Less than 9 months old)
>
> I'm rather stumped..
>
> -Alan
>
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Re: 87 505 STX - Stalling first thing in the morning, but battery vo Posted by: "Paul Strickland" pstrickl@suffolk.lib.ny.us pstrickla
Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:00 am (PST)
The Negative temperature coefficient sensor is on the right front of the
engine, just below the the top radiator hose and thermostat. This is
referenced as you stand in front of the car and face it, not from the
drivers seat.
This NTC sensor is different than the ones in other cars as it has
resistance to the housing or ground from both terminals As the
temperature goes up, the resistance goes down. If you unplug this NTC
temp. , you should see 4 flashes, with engine running.
The one on the back is just for the gage inside of the car to report the
temperature to the driver.
You are lucky that you get over 14 volts while running. I just checked
mine. If I turn on the blower and headlights, mine sinks down to 12.8
volts, just barely enough to keep the battery from discharge. Someday I
have to find out what is wrong here. Probably bad connection from
alternator to battery, or not heavy enough wire. But then it has been
like this for years !
The problem I had with the 4 flashes was probably an intermittent
ground, but for now it magically fixed itself. Before this I would do
the same thing as you; turn off engine and restart an d the problem
would be ok for a while.
alan5o5 wrote:
> I believe it is 4 flashes. When you say NC temp sensor, you are
> referring to the coolant temperature sensor, correct? This is the
> sensor that is located in that convenient place on the back of the
> engine, correct? (v6)
>
> -Alan
>
> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, Paul Strickland <pstrickl@...> wrote:
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> > Interesting! How many flashes do you get when this happens ?
> >
> > I have had similar problems. I would get 4 flashes, indicating the NC
> > temp. sensor. Put on a new connector and the thing would still be
> > intermittent. When it would happen, the car would run like crap.
> >
> > Now for the last few weeks, the problem has gone away and the car runs
> > like new with 160K.
> >
> > I have measured 4 or 5 87 STX and they all have low voltage, never
> > going above 13.6 volts. Someone on the list here has stated that the
> > wiring from the alternator is inadequate. I have yet to go directly to
> > the alternator to measure the voltage. It is under the car.
> >
> > Paul
> > 87 STI 5 sp
> > 85 N9T 5 sp
> >
> > alan5o5 wrote: I am experiencing some initial stalling when I first
> > drive off in the
> > morning. Initially I chocked it up as low voltage output from the
> > alternator and/or a weak battery from A/C and high-watt H4 bulbs.
> >
> > I purchased a multimeter to experiment and found the following.
> >
> > In the morning before I start I will let the ABS system pump up. With
> > the battery showing about 12.50 volts, the ABS pump will drop it down
> > bellow 12 to approx 11.40 or less. With the multimeter still on I
> > crank it and watch the volts drop down to about 10 volts until started.
> >
> > When started it will immediately jump to about 13.40 to 13.65. When I
> > shift into drive and start to pull out it bumps up a little higher. It
> > tries to stall when I apply the brake after a few feet. As soon as I
> > felt a stall I glanced over at the multimeter and it was still showing
> > 13+ volts. Strange.
> >
> > Once I pull out on the road the voltage shoots up to about 14.30 to
> > 14.55. (This is without the A/C, fan blower, radio, lights, etc being
> > on) At times the detonation light will start to blink. I stop and turn
> > off the car and then start it back up. The detonation light will go
> > off and remain off. The voltage will also drop to below 14, and
> > remains in the 13.30+ range.
> >
> > One other thing worth mentioning is the electric fan will come on when
> > the ignition is turned on, even though the ECO button is engaged and
> > the A/C off. When this happened yesterday afternoon, the A/C CPU relay
> > buzzed for a second. (The old ECU relay burned out, this unit is a new
> > one) This morning it occurred again (minus the ECU relay buzz), and I
> > was able to turn off the electric fan off by engaging the A/C, and
> > then turning it off.
> >
> > So could this be a grounding issue?
> >
> > Is the alternator pumping out too much power?
> >
> > Could the battery be bad? (Less than 9 months old)
> >
> > I'm rather stumped..
> >
> > -Alan
> >
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ZDJL: Filter in the end of the rocker shaft? Posted by: "Jeff C." S6YA@chilton.com lionne505
Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:54 am (PST)
My Haynes manual says that there's a tiny oil filter tucked into the
end of the rocker shaft, and that, 'if fitted' it should be renewed at
some interval.
I checked and, sure enough, it's on the fiche, part #0915.03.
Has anyone seen said filter in the wild? Can it actually be replaced,
short of taking apart the rocker assembly?
/jwc - '89 505S '10PARUE'
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505 ALTERNATOR Rant Posted by: "Nunez, George" George.Nunez@bsci.com Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:20 am (PST)
I`m replacing the alternator on the 92 ZDJL again....and a month ago I
replaced the alt on the 89 turbo. These things just don't last! The ZDJL
was about 4 years old and I've been thru several in the turbo. Is this
normal?
I have not taken it apart, it just stops charging...the indication is
the dim battery warning light when driving at night. Maybe its
overworked with all the accessories on...... Lights, wipers, A/C, radio
and slow traffic all add up.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:52 AM
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Subject: [Peugeot-L] ZDJL: Filter in the end of the rocker shaft?
My Haynes manual says that there's a tiny oil filter tucked into the end
of the rocker shaft, and that, 'if fitted' it should be renewed at some
interval.
I checked and, sure enough, it's on the fiche, part #0915.03.
Has anyone seen said filter in the wild? Can it actually be replaced,
short of taking apart the rocker assembly?
/jwc - '89 505S '10PARUE'
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Re: 505 ALTERNATOR Rant Posted by: "N9TE" Fujitsu@turbo505.com kollsimonds
Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:17 pm (PST)
Mine failed 9 months after a 'rebuild'. The brushes were completely worn
down. I used a genuine Valeo set of brushes and I'm good now. I swear some
jobber brush sets are nothing but carbon impregnated stuck of butter.
My symptoms were the same as yours. It will follow with the 6 flash code
(under 12v) and you'll drain the battery.
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