Sure there is a way to test the starter and solenoid. All starters are
pretty much the same. 12volts is supplied through a low amperage connector
through the ignition switch. This low amp power turns on a relay in the case
of a starter its called a solenoid, but its still a relay ; coils of wire
wound around a shaft creating an electro magnet. The low amperage or small
wire on a starter energizes the relay which pushes the heavy duty battery
cable into contact with the starter motor, this starts the motor spinning.
also a solenoid pushes the the gear forward which engages the flywheel to
turn the engine over. The clicking you hear may be in the solenoid. It may
be engaging the flywheel but not making electrical contact with the motor.
To test a starter on the car: Find the small wire on the starter (it goes
from the starter to the starter relay) supply 12 volts via a heavy jumper
wire to the terminal on the starter. Conversely, 12 volts is already at
every starter. The positive cable from the battery goes straight to the
starter. Many shade tree mechanics shunt (short) a screw driver from the
battery terminal to either the other big terminal on the starter which is
the second side of the solenoid contacts, this may turn the starter but not
kick out the drive gear, best to touch the little wire from the starter
relay to the battery positive.
You still need good power from the battery or these tests won't tell you
anything. Clean all the heavy duty terminals battery acid oxidizes the
terminals. They get dirty fast. If you are sure you have good juice at the
starter and bypassiing the ignition switch as I mention and the engine still
does not turn over pull the starter and try these test on the work bench
with battery jumper cables.
Hope this helps.
Brian Rodgers
On 6/24/06, Tony O <bonesinsc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Brian. I may try this but I'm beggining to think that my starter
> solenoid may be the culprit. Bob Bruce was kind enough to send me diagram
> of starter relay configuration and this afternoon, I installed one. The
> first time I went to start the car, the glow plug light came on for the
> full
> period (first time in a long time) and I thought everything would be cool,
> but alas when I turned the key to the start position, could just hear the
> click of relay and solenoid but the starter motor would not turn. Didn't
> have any more time to diagnos further as I was running late. I will likely
> try and clean up grounds, etc. tomorrow and see if that doesn't remedy the
> situation. Brian, would a starter pushbutton be much different than adding
> a starter relay?
> I mean, if solenoid is bad (though I can feel it click) it won't help
> right? Is there a way to test the solenoid or motor electrically using
> voltmeter? (remember motor turns when jumped directly to battery).
>
> thanks again to everyone for their suggestions.
> -Tony
>
> *****
>
>
> Tony, Losses through the ignition switch circuit should not exceed
> one volt. You can take the electrical section off the back of the
> ignition switch and clean it, or replace the switch, which might
> help, but why not just install a starter pushbutton? You just need
> to be sure you are not in gear when pushing the button.
>
> Brian Holm
>
> At 11:13 PM 6/22/2006, Tony O wrote:
> >Hey all,
> >
> >been a while since I posted, mainly because I haven't been driving
> >either of my peugeots : (
> >
> >With the addition of a biodiesel station here in town, I've been
> >inspired once again to get one of these up and running. My problem is
> >a no start problem. I've done a bit of research, peered over the
> >electric manual (albeit for the 85 model) and done a bit of testing
> >with a multimeter. I was wondering if someone could possibly explain
> >in detail but in layman's terms what happens when you turn the switch.
> >
> >I suspect my ignition switch may be faulty, but I am not sure how to
> >further test it. A close inspection of it, shows 4 larger wires
> >leading to harness and two thin black wires, not sure where those
> >lead. I'd like to know which wires I should test and what I should be
> >looking for.
> >
> >Here is what I know. When I turn the ignition switch to run, the glow
> >plug light does NOT stay on. It comes on momentarily (one sec or
> >less) and then turns off. I can hear the accesory relay and the glow
> >plug relay click. I decided that I would test the glow plug relay and
> >find that it does power on for about 12 secs., however I am unsure if
> >the glow plugs are recieving current. (I will check this tomorrow).
> >When I turn the key to the start position, I can hear and feel the
> >starter solenoid click as well, however the starter motor does not
> >turn over at all. I have jumped the starter motor by connecting
> >directly to the battery and it does turnover. I have also tested the
> >voltage at the small wire/terminal on the starter solenoid ( I assume
> >this comes from the ignition switch?) and it reads a little less than
> >6 volts. Once again, I am guessing that it should recieve 12V? This
> >is part of the reason I think it's my ignition switch. Can anyone
> >verify my findings?
>
> Brian Holm, Parts for Peugeots
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> 2120 Maple Hill
> Plainfield, VT, 05667
> 802-454-7132, fax -1310
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