Thanks for the update
Brian Rodgers
On 6/27/06, Tony O <bonesinsc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nah. I didn't say it was a wagon. It's an 85 505 TD STI Sedan. I'm
> literally about to go pull the starter once i finish this email. Diesel
> wagons are very rare. Most people that I know have them have taken engines
> from the sedans and installed them in the wagons or taken older diesel
> wagons and upgraded to the 3xdt.
>
> Thanks for your help and good luck finding that wagon!
> -Tony
>
>
>
> On 6/26/06, Brian Rodgers <brians.outfit@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow you have a 1985 Turbo Diesel wagon that has been sitting? What is
> > wrong
> > with it? I'd die for a diesel wagon. I am in the process of converting
> > my
> > computer business to a mobile service business. We have been making
> > biodiesel since Winter. I want to use our homemade fuel to power our
> > service
> > vehicle. Right now my wife and I are sharing the 1981 505s turbo diesel,
> > which I might add is such a sweet car that I can barely get it away from
> > her
> > lately. We need another diesel. A wagon! I was thinking a 4X4 for
> > service
> > calls because this is mountains here in New Mexico, but a wagon may be
> > perfect. Anyone else have Peugeots needing resurrection?
> > I am glad you got my idea to work. Don't sweat this little stuff. to
> > test
> > the battery connections simply bypass them with jumper cables. I know
> > there
> > are a lot of people here that are currently mechanics and they know more
> > than I, but electricity especially low voltage electricity is where I
> > shine. Twenty years of computers and electronics after I left the auto
> > mechanics field. I was a factory trained VW mechanic, always loved
> > foreign
> > cars.
> > Brian Rodgers
> >
> >
> > On 6/24/06, Brian Holm <peugeots@vtlink.net <peugeots%40vtlink.net>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Tony, don't assume the battery and cables are fine because the
> > > starter motor spins under no load--that doesn't take much voltage or
> > > current. Put a charger on it! Or jump it with another car,
> > > preferably running. Or, check the standing voltage -- It should be at
> > > least 12.5v, and then check the voltage drop when you turn on the
> > > high beams, heater fan, radio full blast, and spin the starter motor
> > > -- it should not drop more than one or two volts.
> > >
> > > Pulling the starter is a lot of work. Just make sure it's not the
> > > battery before you do it!
> > >
> > > Brian Holm
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:49 PM 6/24/2006, Tony O wrote:
> > >
> > > >Thanks again guys.
> > > >
> > > >This afternoon I jumped the the small connector on the starter (the
> > one
> > > the
> > > >ignition switch trips). I did this by connecting directly to the
> > battery.
> > > >Unfortunately, I could hear a click in the solenoid but the starter
> > motor
> > > >did not turn over. I immediatley jumped the motor from battery and it
> > > >turned over, so I am left to believe it's the solenoid. Since the
> > motor
> > > >spins when jumped directly to battery, I think the battery is fine.
> > This
> > > is
> > > >a nice sealed battery with over 900 CA. Anyhow, I guess my next step
> > is
> > > to
> > > >pull the starter and do some bench testing. I may actually pull the
> > > starter
> > > >off the 85 505TD that has been sitting for almost a year now (it
> > won't
> > > miss
> > > >it) and then I will test the starter at a later date.
> > > >
> > > >Have a great weekend and thanks for all your advice.
> > > >-Tony O
> > > >
> > > >On 6/24/06, Jim Bartley
> > > ><<mailto:pei505turbo%40yahoo.ca> pei505turbo@yahoo.ca<pei505turbo%40yahoo.ca>
> > <pei505turbo%40yahoo.ca>>
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It sounds to me, if the glow light comes on and goes off for the
> > right
> > > > > period, and the solenoid moves, that everything is working more
> > > > or less, but
> > > > > there isn't enough juice going through the circuit to turn over
> > the
> > > engine.
> > > > > A diesel is high compression compared to a gas engine, and it
> > > > takes a lot of
> > > > > concentrated CCA to make it spin. Exactly the same thing a week
> > > > ago with the
> > > > > battery down on my 86 505TD wagon after it blew the alternator
> > belt,
> > > and I
> > > > > had to start it and drive it for about an hour to get where I had
> > > > to go with
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > After an hour driving and then shut down, it would not re-start,
> > and
> > > would
> > > > > not even turn over with a cable boost battery to battery (although
> > the
> > > glow
> > > > > plug/solenoid action was there). Battery to starter directly
> > > > finally worked.
> > > > > That makes me think that there are some corrosion issues at spots
> > in
> > > the
> > > > > electrical circuits on my car. Likely, check/clean battery
> > > connections,
> > > > > recharge battery a bit, consider cleaning the various cables where
> > > joining
> > > > > starter etc, and of course, the sage advice offered by Brian Holm
> > and
> > > Bob
> > > > > Bruce below.
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers!
> > > > > Jim Bartley on PEI
> > > > > 86 505 S Turbodiesel automatic wagon
> > > > > 87 505 Turbo gas automatic sedan
> > > > > ==between the two of them, one entirely perfectly working car==
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > @ gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Brian. I may try this but I'm beggining to think that my
> > > starter
> > > > > solenoid may be the culprit. Bob Bruce was kind enough to send me
> > > diagram
> > > > > of starter relay configuration and this afternoon, I installed
> > one.
> > > The
> > > > > first time I went to start the car, the glow plug light came on
> > for
> > > the
> > > > > full
> > > > > period (first time in a long time) and I thought everything would
> > be
> > > cool,
> > > > > but alas when I turned the key to the start position, could just
> > hear
> > > the
> > > > > click of relay and solenoid but the starter motor would not turn.
> > > Didn't
> > > > > have any more time to diagnos further as I was running late. I
> > will
> > > likely
> > > > > try and clean up grounds, etc. tomorrow and see if that doesn't
> > remedy
> > > the
> > > > > situation. Brian, would a starter pushbutton be much different
> > than
> > > adding
> > > > > a starter relay?
> > > > > I mean, if solenoid is bad (though I can feel it click) it won't
> > help
> > > > > right? Is there a way to test the solenoid or motor electrically
> > using
> > > > > voltmeter? (remember motor turns when jumped directly to battery).
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks again to everyone for their suggestions.
> > > > > -Tony
> > > > >
> > > > > *****
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony, Losses through the ignition switch circuit should not exceed
> > > > > one volt. You can take the electrical section off the back of the
> > > > > ignition switch and clean it, or replace the switch, which might
> > > > > help, but why not just install a starter pushbutton? You just need
> > > > > to be sure you are not in gear when pushing the button.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Holm
> > > > >
> > > > > At 11:13 PM 6/22/2006, Tony O wrote:
> > > > > >Hey all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >been a while since I posted, mainly because I haven't been
> > driving
> > > > > >either of my peugeots : (
> > > > > >
> > > > > >With the addition of a biodiesel station here in town, I've been
> > > > > >inspired once again to get one of these up and running. My
> > problem is
> > > > > >a no start problem. I've done a bit of research, peered over the
> > > > > >electric manual (albeit for the 85 model) and done a bit of
> > testing
> > > > > >with a multimeter. I was wondering if someone could possibly
> > explain
> > > > > >in detail but in layman's terms what happens when you turn the
> > > switch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I suspect my ignition switch may be faulty, but I am not sure how
> > to
> > > > > >further test it. A close inspection of it, shows 4 larger wires
> > > > > >leading to harness and two thin black wires, not sure where those
> > > > > >lead. I'd like to know which wires I should test and what I
> > should be
> > > > > >looking for.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Here is what I know. When I turn the ignition switch to run, the
> > glow
> > > > > >plug light does NOT stay on. It comes on momentarily (one sec or
> > > > > >less) and then turns off. I can hear the accesory relay and the
> > glow
> > > > > >plug relay click. I decided that I would test the glow plug relay
> > and
> > > > > >find that it does power on for about 12 secs., however I am
> > unsure if
> > > > > >the glow plugs are recieving current. (I will check this
> > tomorrow).
> > > > > >When I turn the key to the start position, I can hear and feel
> > the
> > > > > >starter solenoid click as well, however the starter motor does
> > not
> > > > > >turn over at all. I have jumped the starter motor by connecting
> > > > > >directly to the battery and it does turnover. I have also tested
> > the
> > > > > >voltage at the small wire/terminal on the starter solenoid ( I
> > assume
> > > > > >this comes from the ignition switch?) and it reads a little less
> > than
> > > > > >6 volts. Once again, I am guessing that it should recieve 12V?
> > This
> > > > > >is part of the reason I think it's my ignition switch. Can anyone
> > > > > >verify my findings?
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Brian Holm, Parts for Peugeots
> > > at Peugeot Holm, since 1969
> > > 2120 Maple Hill
> > > Plainfield, VT, 05667
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