Re: [Peugeot-L] 504 XN2 Super Rich mixture

From: Bob Bruce <bobbruce_at_mts.net>
Date: 07/14/05

If your mechanic adjusted the valves using the "on the rock" method it will not work out. The valves must be adjusted according to the factory method this method will be in any Peugeot shop manual or I can explain it.

The head should be retorqued every 30,000 KM before the valves are adjusted if there is any question the head bolts should be pulled one at a time and all the threads on the bolts and in the block cleaned

I am surprized at the fuel pressure, 3 psi is about what the mechanical fuel pump delivers to the 504 with carbs. I would have thought the injected car with its electric pump would be higher.

Bob

  • Original Message ----- From: pkarydas To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: [Peugeot-L] 504 XN2 Super Rich mixture

  Went to my mechanic with an intermittent stalling problem on my 1973   504 injection. It felt like fuel starvation and I suspected some   sort of obstruction in the fuel line. He did a cold cylinder   compression test which showed 125psi for cylinders 1 and 4, and   120psi for 2 and 3. (I know the engine is supposed to be warm when   testing for compression.) This is what they did: Cleaned out the   gas tank, replaced the fuel filters, back and front, adjusted the   valves, changed oil and filter, replaced spark plugs and ignition   wires, and checked timing and fuel and oil pressures. They did an   exhaust analysis and compression testing after the engine warmed   up. Cylinder 1, 120psi; cylinder 2, 125psi; cylinders 3 and 4,   100psi. This left me scratching my head because the compression   should have gone up, not down, with the warm engine and left me   suspecting a valve adjustment screw-up. Could it be anything else?   Fuel pressure was good at 3psi (spec 1-2.5psi) and oil pressure was   also good at 3.5psi at 3000 rpm's. Emissions analysis was dismal--   11 percent CO, about 1000ppm HC, 6.5 percent CO2. The car has the   two-liter engine with a Kugelfischer mechanical fuel injection,   which the mechanics here do not know how to adjust. I have a very   complex procedure from the Peugeot manual, involving thermometers,   mirrors and cooling water, which caused them to run in the opposite   direction. Nobody that I know here has the fuel injector cleaning   apparatus for this particular model, but the previous owner claims   that he replaced the fuel injectors and had the injection system   adjusted 15,000 miles ago. The other thing that I noticed is that   the electrovalve (some sort of a fifth injector that works as a   choke for cold starts) had an outside seam leak and was dripping   fuel outside the intake, and the inside head was full of carbon. I   have not been able to find a replacement, so I coated the outside,   where it was leaking, with metal epoxy until I can find a   replacement, and that sort of mitigated the problem. By the way,   the old spark plugs that I took out were extremely sooty, indicating   that the mixture has been rich for quite a while. If anybody can   offer any suggestions or explanation, I will very much appreciate it.   Thanos Karydas
  1997 106 Rallye
  1973 504 XN2

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