Yes, that would probably be a good choice. There
are two ways to check that. One, you can do a voltage
drop
test by placing one probe of a voltmeter on the
starter
positive terminal and the other on the battery
positive
cable where it attaches to that terminal as someone
turns the key to engage the atarter(putting it under a
load), and you should show no more that .2 volts.
There
is another way that I hesitate to tell you because it
can be risky, but a rebuilder told me this trick years
ago. First, you disconnect the battery negative, then
take the battery cable off of the starter, put the
neg.
cable back on(be careful now as if you touch a ground,
tgere will be sparks or worse); and now carefully
touch
the end of the cable to the block, quickly & carefully
as it can weld itselt to the block or cause a
fire-that
is why I strongly recommend the first method. Anyway,
if the cable is okay, you'll get quite a big spark;and
if it's bad, it will hardly spark at all.
By the way, after my previous post, I read the earlier
one; and I just wanted to let you know that 30 in the
German numbering is for B+, not 87 as that guy said.
However, switching them won't affect its functioning
as 30 and 87 are on either side of the set of points.
Good luck on your project.
- jean-paul mineur <lorrains@videotron.ca> wrote:
> Hello Gary
> Thanks for the infos. I think I m going to first
> change the batterry cable
> and then if it doesn t work I will add a relay. But
> I m going to keep your
> message.
> Jean-Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gary freeman" <riven2649@yahoo.com>
> To: "jean-paul mineur" <lorrains@videotron.ca>;
> <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: 505 turbo 86
> intermittent working starter
>
>
> > I'm most familiar with Bosch relays and numbering
> > the German way, but you can use even GM relays.
> > Some guys have used 3 prong relays, but I always
> > used 4 prong. The different male spades coming
> out
> > of the relay have two in parallel side by side
> with
> > two facing the other way straddling the first
> pair.
> > The two side by side are numbered 85 and 86 and
> are
> > the trigger set, the other two are 30 which is B+
> > and 87 which goes to the starter solenoid. The
> wire
> > that normally goes to the starter solenoid from
> the
> > ignition switch goes to 85 or 86. The one of 85
> or
> > 86
> > that you didn't use, attach it to a ground wire
> that
> > you make up and mount to any ground that's easy
> to
> > get to and close to the relay. You make up
> another
> > wire that you attach to 30 and the other side to
> > the battery pos post(that's best) or another easy
> > place to get a full 12 volts. Relays use little
> > current in the switching coil and when the points
> > are closed can deliver alot more current between
> > 30 and 87. Make up another wire that goes from 87
> > to the starter solenoid and then mount the relay
> > along the inner fender apron or wherever is con-
> > venient. Now, when you turn the ignition to
> start,
> > it sends current to the relay coil, the other
> side
> > which is grounded;and the magnetism that's
> created
> > by the current flowing through the coil pulls the
> > points into closed position thereby allowing
> current
> > to flow from B+ to 30 which is connected by the
> > points to 87 which is attached to the starter
> > solenoid. Now you have a full 12 volts to the
> > starter
> > solenoid even if your ignition switch doesn't
> have
> > a full 12 volt signal as it only needs a small
> > amount
> > to activate the relay.
> >
> > It's not a difficult job and your local parts
> store
> > should have a relay that would work; and now that
> > you
> > know what's going on inside the relay, I think
> > you'll
> > know how to use any brand of relay.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > --- jean-paul mineur <lorrains@videotron.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Gary
> >> Could you explain how you install the relay ,and
> >> what kind of relay, to hook
> >> the solenoid wire ?
> >> Thank you
> >> Jean-Paul
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "gary freeman" <riven2649@yahoo.com>
> >> To: "the505inme" <the505inme@yahoo.ca>;
> >> <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:13 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: 505 turbo 86
> >> intermittent working starter
> >>
> >>
> >> > If it starts when you're jumping it, then it's
> >> not
> >> > the starter. The previous post about battery
> >> > connections is probably correct. The other
> thing
> >> we
> >> > used to do because of hard to find problems
> such
> >> as
> >> > weak ignition switches was to hook the
> solenoid
> >> wire
> >> > to a relay we installed so that you would
> always
> >> get
> >> > 12 volts to the solenoid.
> >> >
> >> > --- the505inme <the505inme@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I once had the same problem with my 86 turbo.
> I
> >> >> found that my
> >> >> positive battery cable was corroded on the
> inside
> >> 4
> >> >> inches from the
> >> >> terminal. I replaced the wire, 4 years ago,
> and
> >> >> never had trouble
> >> >> again.
> >> >>
> >> >> My point is, it always pays to start with the
> >> >> basics!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, jean-paul
> >> mineur
> >> >> <lorrains@v...>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hello everybody
> >> >> > Could somebody help me to solve this
> problem: I
> >> >> have an
> >> >> intermittent problem on my starter. When the
> >> weather
> >> >> is hot and
> >> >> humid, it most of the time doesn t work and I
> >> have
> >> >> to jump the
> >> >> solenoid switch connector and the positif
> >> directly
> >> >> on the starter
> >> >> with a screwdriver to start the engine.
> >> >> > I changed the starter, starter relay (not
> new),
> >> >> checked connectors
> >> >> between starter and starter relay, nothing
> >> changes.
> >> >> At the same time
> >> >> when I turn the key to the start position, the
> >> >> heater fan comes on at
> >> >> high speed. However the fan works correctly
> when
> >> >> engine is running.
> >> >> This could be an unrelated problem. I have the
> >> >> electrical manual
> >> >> classe 12.
> >> >> > Any suggestion?
> >> >> > Thanks a lot
> >> >> > Jean-Paul
> >> >> > Montreal
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> >> >> removed]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> __________________________________________________
> >> > Do You Yahoo!?
> >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> >> protection around
> >> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Recommended format for your email subject
> lines:
> >> > Model # [Model Letters] Year Subject
> >> >
> >> > Examples:
> >> > 505 88 V6 Mileage
> >> > 405 Mi16 89 Ignition Coil source?
> >> >
> ************************************************
> >> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank
> email
> >> message to
> >> > PEUGEOT-L-UNSUBSCRIBE@EGROUPS.COM
> >> >
> ************************************************
>
=== message truncated ===
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com
Recommended format for your email subject lines:
Model # [Model Letters] Year Subject
Examples:
505 88 V6 Mileage
405 Mi16 89 Ignition Coil source?
To unsubscribe from this list send a blank email message to PEUGEOT-L-UNSUBSCRIBE@EGROUPS.COM
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peugeot-L/
<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
peugeot-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Received on Sun Jul 17 21:17:32 2005
