Jean-paul,
When you put the voltmeter between the starter and
battery, you're checking voltage drop which tells
you the integrity of the cable and the connections.
Don't trust looking at the ends of the cable as
sometimes the corrosion is under the insulation.
The two 87s should be the same, but I think the
Peugeot relays have an internal wiring diagram on
the side; so look at it and make sure it shows both
of them closed at the same time as some have one 87
closed when activated and the other closed when off.
The 85 and 86 shouldn't make any difference, but you
didn't say what you did with the other terminal of
the 85,86 pair. Remember, you have to put the
factory
wire to the starter solenoid on either 85 or 86 and
then attach the other(either 85 or 86)to ground. So,
to reiterate, 30 to B+, 87(the one closed with relay
activated)to the starter solenoid, 85 to original
solenoid wire, and 86 to ground (85 and 86 can be
switched). That should work. Let me know how it
goes.
If it doesn't work at first and you're not sure
about
which 87 to use, just change that wire to the other
87 and try it again.
Good luck!
Gary
- jean-paul mineur <lorrains@videotron.ca> wrote:
> Hello Gary
> I tried today to add a relay, the same as the
> original ignition relay with 5
> prongs. There are 2 no 87 prong face to face in the
> middle, no 86 and no 85
> are on each side, the no 30 under. I connected a
> wire between one 87 and
> the starter solenoid, 85 to the ground and 30 to the
> positif directly on the
> battery. That doesn t work. I changed 85 by 86 for
> the ground and 87 by the
> other one for the solenoid . Nothing. I think there
> is another wire to
> connect somewhere. Could you confirm? I also checked
> the battery cables: in
> fact there are only 2 short wires between the
> battery and the junction
> connector, about 4" long. They don t seem to be
> corrroded as I can see on
> the end of each one. What do you check exactly when
> you put a voltmeter
> between the starter and the battery?
> Thank you
> Jean-Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gary freeman" <riven2649@yahoo.com>
> To: "jean-paul mineur" <lorrains@videotron.ca>;
> <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: 505 turbo 86
> intermittent working starter
>
>
> > Yes, that would probably be a good choice. There
> > are two ways to check that. One, you can do a
> voltage
> > drop
> > test by placing one probe of a voltmeter on the
> > starter
> > positive terminal and the other on the battery
> > positive
> > cable where it attaches to that terminal as
> someone
> > turns the key to engage the atarter(putting it
> under a
> > load), and you should show no more that .2 volts.
> > There
> > is another way that I hesitate to tell you because
> it
> > can be risky, but a rebuilder told me this trick
> years
> > ago. First, you disconnect the battery negative,
> then
> > take the battery cable off of the starter, put the
> > neg.
> > cable back on(be careful now as if you touch a
> ground,
> > tgere will be sparks or worse); and now carefully
> > touch
> > the end of the cable to the block, quickly &
> carefully
> > as it can weld itselt to the block or cause a
> > fire-that
> > is why I strongly recommend the first method.
> Anyway,
> > if the cable is okay, you'll get quite a big
> spark;and
> > if it's bad, it will hardly spark at all.
> >
> > By the way, after my previous post, I read the
> earlier
> > one; and I just wanted to let you know that 30 in
> the
> > German numbering is for B+, not 87 as that guy
> said.
> > However, switching them won't affect its
> functioning
> > as 30 and 87 are on either side of the set of
> points.
> >
> > Good luck on your project.
> >
> > --- jean-paul mineur <lorrains@videotron.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Gary
> >> Thanks for the infos. I think I m going to first
> >> change the batterry cable
> >> and then if it doesn t work I will add a relay.
> But
> >> I m going to keep your
> >> message.
> >> Jean-Paul
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "gary freeman" <riven2649@yahoo.com>
> >> To: "jean-paul mineur" <lorrains@videotron.ca>;
> >> <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:01 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: 505 turbo 86
> >> intermittent working starter
> >>
> >>
> >> > I'm most familiar with Bosch relays and
> numbering
> >> > the German way, but you can use even GM
> relays.
> >> > Some guys have used 3 prong relays, but I
> always
> >> > used 4 prong. The different male spades coming
> >> out
> >> > of the relay have two in parallel side by side
> >> with
> >> > two facing the other way straddling the first
> >> pair.
> >> > The two side by side are numbered 85 and 86
> and
> >> are
> >> > the trigger set, the other two are 30 which is
> B+
> >> > and 87 which goes to the starter solenoid. The
> >> wire
> >> > that normally goes to the starter solenoid
> from
> >> the
> >> > ignition switch goes to 85 or 86. The one of
> 85
> >> or
> >> > 86
> >> > that you didn't use, attach it to a ground
> wire
> >> that
> >> > you make up and mount to any ground that's
> easy
> >> to
> >> > get to and close to the relay. You make up
> >> another
> >> > wire that you attach to 30 and the other side
> to
> >> > the battery pos post(that's best) or another
> easy
> >> > place to get a full 12 volts. Relays use
> little
> >> > current in the switching coil and when the
> points
> >> > are closed can deliver alot more current
> between
> >> > 30 and 87. Make up another wire that goes from
> 87
> >> > to the starter solenoid and then mount the
> relay
> >> > along the inner fender apron or wherever is
> con-
> >> > venient. Now, when you turn the ignition to
> >> start,
> >> > it sends current to the relay coil, the other
> >> side
> >> > which is grounded;and the magnetism that's
> >> created
> >> > by the current flowing through the coil pulls
> the
> >> > points into closed position thereby allowing
> >> current
> >> > to flow from B+ to 30 which is connected by
> the
> >> > points to 87 which is attached to the starter
> >> > solenoid. Now you have a full 12 volts to the
> >> > starter
> >> > solenoid even if your ignition switch doesn't
> >> have
> >> > a full 12 volt signal as it only needs a small
> >> > amount
> >> > to activate the relay.
> >> >
> >> > It's not a difficult job and your local parts
> >> store
> >> > should have a relay that would work; and now
> that
> >> > you
> >> > know what's going on inside the relay, I think
> >> > you'll
> >> > know how to use any brand of relay.
> >> >
> >> > Good luck.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gary
> >> >
> >> > --- jean-paul mineur <lorrains@videotron.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello Gary
> >> >> Could you explain how you install the relay
> ,and
> >> >> what kind of relay, to hook
> >> >> the solenoid wire ?
> >> >> Thank you
> >> >> Jean-Paul
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "gary freeman" <riven2649@yahoo.com>
> >> >> To: "the505inme" <the505inme@yahoo.ca>;
> >> >> <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
>
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