A huge thanks for the info, Brian and Kevin. I will put it to good use.
Kevin: A hill climb car must corner as if on rails (wider track, 604),
spends nearly all the time in second and third gear (the BA7/4 gearing
works ok, 35% rev reduction when you shift from second to third, 30%
would be better to keep you at high torque after shifting), and
typically goes to 70 mph really fast but tops out at 90 mph or so
(that's why I am after the shorter diff like a J from a 505 STI or
preferably an even shorter one from a 504 SW or PU). Oh yeah, and
braking would be good, the vented discs from a 505 turbo or 604 with
high pressure tubing.
Thanos
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From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Pug NZ
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:48 AM
To: Brian Holm
Cc: pkarydas; peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] 604 to 504 suspension swap
Thanos,
I have put a 504 diff into both a 505 and a 604 before.
The 505 2.0 K-ket acquired a 504 injection diff (same ratio), and the
604 carb got a 504 carb diff (revs higher at same speed now).
Both of these would have been bolt in, however the 505 had the different
mounting system that was used for a very short time, so I had to drill
three holes to make the normal mount plate bolt to the crossmember.
I haven't measured, but I think that the increased track on the 604 was
achieved by using a larger bearing carrier. Based on this, it seems that
if you unbolt the 604 rear hub from the suspension arm (ie wheel off,
remove brake calliper, and undo four allen key bolts behind disc), and
remove it complete with the driveshaft, you should be able to bolt it
into the 504 and end up with a wider track.
Not sure what you are after for a hill climb car, higher top speed or
faster acceleration?
Kevin
Brian Holm wrote:
>Thanos
>
>I was going to say that you could use 604 suspension arms on your 504
if
>you wanted about 19mm of negative camber, but I thought I would take a
few
>measurements before shooting off my mouth, and to my extreme perplexity
I
>found that 604 and 504 have the same spring spacing at the top! 42"
>compared to 43 3/8" on 505. That threw me because I would have sworn
that
>604 used 505 control arms and engine crossmember, which would give the
604
>wider spacing at the bottom than the 504. How that works with the same
>spacing at the top is beyond me. But then I didn't think 505 front
>anti-roll bars would fit a 504 either. I don't have time to look up
the
>part numbers right now to try to figure it out.
>
>On the dif ratios, I think you can use wagon guts in a sedan housing,
but I
>have never done it or know of it being done. The lowest sedan gears in
US
>Models are 8x37 (4.62:1) in zdjl automatics. 4.11s are much more
common.
>
>Brian Holm, Parts for Peugeots
>
>
>At 09:08 AM 7/21/2005, pkarydas wrote:
>
>
>
>>Hello from Athens, Greece. As if didn't have enough Peugeot projects
>>going simultaneously (injection overhaul on my 1973 504 coupe,
>>transmission/diff rebuild on the 106 Rallye and parting out a 604
>>SL), I just starting on a new one. I will be building a classic
>>hill climb car out of a just acquired 1971 504 4 door which now has
>>a Euro version carburated XN1 from an early 505. I am hoping to use
>>as much of the 604 parts car as possible to widen the track and
>>improve roadhoalding. Dave McBean's Aussie site (hot five oh's)
>>mentions that you can use 604 front struts and suspension arms and
>>rear trailing arms to widen the front and rear tracks of the 504
>>sedan, but somehow this list seems incomplete to me. I am planning
>>to use as much of the 604 suspension as possible for this task,
>>including springs (I will cut them a tad to lower and stiffen the
>>504) anti-roll bars, axles, differentials, etc. Can you please give
>>me some guidance as to my best options? Brian, I know you are the
>>real guru on this, so If you are out there please pitch in. Also: I
>>would like to use a shorter differential, like a 9X38 (4.22) from a
>>504 SW or even a 9X37 (4.11) from an STI. Does anyone now the diff
>>gearing for the 604 SL automatic? Will it work for the 504?
>>
>>Thanos Karydas
>>1997 106 Rallye
>>1973 504 Coupe XN2
>>1971 504 sedan XN1
>>1978 604 SL parts car
>>And yes, I just spoted a mint 1977 504 SW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Brian Holm, Parts for Peugeots
>at Peugeot Holm, since 1969
>2120 Maple Hill
>Plainfield, VT, 05667
>802-454-7132, fax -1310
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