Charles,
I agree with you except that you show an excess of
common sense which I think is out of favor today.
Would like to add two things:why does everyone forget
the Honda Insight and Accord Hybrid(I think the
Insight
was the first commercially available hybrid, the
Accord
is fantastic, and there are rumors that Toyota is
having some problems), and we need to start thinking
more about incorporating more (dare I commit
blasphemy)
bicycles into our transportation plans-and mass
transit
too.
Gary
--- Charles Goin <cdgoin@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Interestingly studies supported by enviromentalist
> groups and corn producers find Ethonal is good. Yet
> independant university studies at both University of
> California-Berkeley and Cornell (Both respectable
> and
> not what you would call conservative schools) have
> shown it takes more energy to produce Bio fuels
> currently than they make.
>
> The short synapsis of it is, in terms of energy
> output
> compared with energy input for ethanol production,
> the
> study found that:
>
> Corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the
> fuel produced;
>
> switch grass requires 45 percent more fossil energy
> than the fuel produced; and wood biomass requires 57
> percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.
>
> In terms of energy output compared with the energy
> input for biodiesel production, the study found
> that:
>
> soybean plants requires 27 percent more fossil
> energy
> than the fuel produced, and
>
> sunflower plants requires 118 percent more fossil
> energy than the fuel produced.
>
> (Complete article at:
>
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html)
>
> So while BioFuels are a good idea in theory and
> admittedly they can make them from the husks of
> plants
> and cast offs of farm industry and I am sure will be
> a
> main source of fuel in the future. Not to mention
> the
> lower gas mileage causes an overall increase in
> pollution per mile of travel.
>
> So I guess what I am saying is, going to E85 to be
> green is a very brown idea. Buy a Toyota Prius or
> turn
> you Opel into an electric car that gets charged at
> home with a solar paneled charging station. But
> remember if your in a area that uses coal or natural
> gas, the pollution generated to charge your vehicle
> negates any benefit of having a all electric car.
> Not
> to mention the toxics and oil comsumed to produce
> the
> solar panels and the electric batterys, etc. in the
> car only balances itself on the energy chart about
> 75%
> into the lifetime of the Car and Solar cells. So
> plan
> on using your electric GT for 15 years or so before
> you ecologically balance the equation.
>
> Personally for a cleaner water and air and
> independance from foreign oil the solution is
> simple.
> Build new modern Nuclear plants using new safeer
> technology, and close the old 20-50 year old
> disasters
> waiting to happen. To handle the waste build new
> recycling plants to recycle the nuclear waste and
> open
> Yucca Mountain for what's left. Until Fusion or
> perpetual motion exists it will be the most friendly
> thing we can do to for the enviroment.
>
> The reality is we need more power each year and we
> only have so many mountiain tops to cut down, only
> so
> much oil to drill for, and so much gas to pull out
> of
> the ground and it's not going to change. Putting our
> heads in the sand to look for eviromentally friendly
> fuels, or think that convservation will change
> things,
> is looking to short sighted and not accepting the
> facts.
>
> Anyway since E85 will damage your Opel and there
> really is no enviromental benefit to using it.. I
> wouldnt worry about adjusting your carbs anytime
> soon.
> In the meantime I will keep enjoying my gas hog
> until
> gas is too expensive and I have to go electric. But
> at
> least I live in a area where we have two nuclear
> plants providing most our power so at least here our
> electric power is enviormentally friendly.
>
> Sorry, I digressed... but this is one of my biggest
> gripes with the Media (For giving half baked science
> legitamacy)& Uber-Liberals (For not seeing the trees
> through the forest)& Uber-Conservatives (that think
> we
> can out drill the problem and feel we can spend 300
> billion to secure Iraqs oil for us but not 15
> billion
> into fusion research which WOULD solve all our
> energy
> problems) & Eviromentalists that do more harm than
> good because of the first three.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
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