Haven't had this sort of problem on the early 505s, just the series II
505s, especially the V6.
Insulation is fine, the problems seem to be concentrated on poor
connections between the wires and the terminals on the ends.
Doesn't seem to be related to the Douvrin engines, as the ZEJKs are
fine, but the late XN1s aren't.
Kevin
gary freeman wrote:
>,<I meant Peugeot getting their wire, but this didn't
> have to happen at the same time. And I don't know
> for sure if the bad Peugeot wiring he was talking
> about has that same problem, so I was just
>wondering.
> I don't know if Volvo always had that problem, and
> if not, when it started; but I know alot of 240s
> wiring harnesses seemed to disintegrate, especially
> the one on the firewall and the one that went under
> the crank pulley. I thought it was a Volvo problem,
> but then I got a Saab customer with the same
>problem.
> So then I assumed it was a Swedish thing.
>
>--- "David A. Hueppchen" <ojrallye@excel.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Gary,
>>
>>But our Volvos got PRV d in 76 and didn't get that
>>wiring till the early
>>80s.
>>
>>Best Regards
>>David A.Hueppchen
>>OJ Rallye Automotive
>>Plymouth, WI USA
>>www.vclassics.com/ojrallye.htm
>>www.vclassics.com/ojrally2.htm
>>
>>"Racing makes heroin addiction look like a vague
>>wish for something
>>salty."--Peter Egan
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "gary freeman" <riven2649@yahoo.com>
>>To: <pug-yahoo@azorah.co.nz>;
>><peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] 89 V6 engine ignition Woes
>>Help !
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Makes me think Volvo shared more than engines with
>>>Peugeot because in the pre PRV days we had no real
>>>problems with Peugeot wiring, but Swedish cars
>>>
>>>
>>have
>>
>>
>>>wires that the insulation begins to fall off of
>>>
>>>
>>with
>>
>>
>>>age.Maybe some kind of special formulation for the
>>>cold?
>>>
>>>--- Pug NZ <pug-yahoo@azorah.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>Please note that this is jeffs car that has the
>>>>problem, so please
>>>>direct replies to him.
>>>>With Peugeots, particularly the 505 V6, besides
>>>>
>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>>obvious component
>>>>faults that need to be checked for, the integrity
>>>>
>>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>>the wiring and
>>>>connections needs to be checked. Just because the
>>>>ECU is not getting a
>>>>good signal from a sensor does not mean that
>>>>
>>>>
>>either
>>
>>
>>>>the sensor or ecu is
>>>>faulty. Don't forget all the wiring and crimped
>>>>
>>>>
>>on
>>
>>
>>>>connections and
>>>>relays and fuses and connector blocks and
>>>>splices....
>>>>I just lent a friend a V6 afm, because he had
>>>>
>>>>
>>been
>>
>>
>>>>told his one was
>>>>faulty. The loan one proved it was not the afm,
>>>>
>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>he was saved
>>>>megabucks. It turned out to be a loose wire
>>>>
>>>>
>>behind
>>
>>
>>>>the engine...
>>>>And that is fairly typical of a number of 505
>>>>electrical problems I have
>>>>had to fix.
>>>>Kevin
>>>>
>>>>gary freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm not familiar with your particular car, but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>most
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>electronically injected cars are similar in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>some
>>
>>
>>>>>respects. Usually if your injectors are not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>working;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>and the ECU has power and ground and is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>good,then
>>
>>
>>>>>it's probably the TDC sensor or maybe the speed
>>>>>sensor. Those are the main requirements for the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>ECU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>to operate.
>>>>>
>>>>>--- Pug NZ <pug-yahoo2@azorah.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>An intermittent spark with power to the coil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>points
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>towards an
>>>>>>electrical fault (surprise surprise on the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>V6!).
>>
>>
>>>>>>To get a spark on the V6, a number of systems
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>need
>>
>>
>>>>>>to interact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The power for these systems comes through the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>four
>>
>>
>>>>>>relays above the fuse
>>>>>>box. first step is to check that these are all
>>>>>>working properly and
>>>>>>supplying power to the appropriate circuits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>When
>>
>>
>>>>>>the engine is cranked,
>>>>>>the ECU first waits for feedback from certain
>>>>>>sensors before producing
>>>>>>a spark, supplying fuel. If you are checking
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>for a
>>
>>
>>>>>>spark, use one of the
>>>>>>spark plug leads, not #1 cyl though. #1 has a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>sensor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>on it that the ecu
>>>>>>needs. Check the distributor cap and rotor
>>>>>>condition. The resistance
>>>>>>across the rotor should be around 1000 ohms
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>from
>>
>>
>>>>>>memory (I can dig this
>>>>>>out if need be), one of mine caused problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>when
>>
>>
>>>>>>the resistance rose to
>>>>>>around 3000 ohms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No point in checking fuel pressure if you are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>not
>>
>>
>>>>>>getting the injectors
>>>>>>clicking when you are cranking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>marc rogers wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Check for fuel pressure next
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--- Pug NZ <pug-yahoo2@azorah.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can you hear the injectors clicking when you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>turning it over?
>>>>>>>>Have a look at the bunch of four relays above
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>fuse box in the engine
>>>>>>>>bay. Check the relays, and for bad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>connections
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>between the relays and
>>>>>>>>connectors, and also between the connectors
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>wires too.
>>>>>>>>Kevin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jeff wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A new problem has developed with my
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>ignition,
>>
>>
>>>>on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>89 505 with the V6.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Engine cranks fine, and there is current to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>coil, even during
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>cranking. Every once in a few tries, with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>
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