Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: 406 coupe v6 intermittent problem

From: Paul Strickland <pstrickl_at_suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: 09/05/05

Ken,

Just what do you mean by this ?

As stated in my case: The fuel was cut off by a voltage transient induced into the injection ECU caused by an intermitent break down of the ignition coil to the 12 volts supplying the injection ECU. After the motor quit running, there was still perfect spark supplied but no fuel to the injectors.

After waiting for about an hour, the injection ECU would reset and supply pulse to the injectors again.

Paul

kenneth parker wrote:

> Certainly not diagnostically related, but are these the same kind
> of coils that are used in the BMW 525i?
> Ken
> On Sep 5, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Paul Strickland wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> This is a nasty problem !
>>
>> I had this same problem on an 85 N9T engine with only 1 ignition coil.
>>
>> It took me a few years until I just caught on to the problem.
>>
>> Same thing would happen. Car would run just fine and all of sudden
>> shut down. I would check for ignition and it was fine. Must be fuel
>> cut off. I checked all the wiring and it looked good.
>>
>> Then one time at night when the thing was running, I noticed a faint
>> glow from the high tension lead on the ignition coil.
>>
>> What was happening here was that the high voltage would snap over to
>> the primary side, the 12V input. and put a spike on the 12V. This in
>> turn, got into the injection ECU and cut off the fuel supply.
>>
>> I could prove this by just putting in a rolled up paper napkin between
>> the high voltage output and the 12 V. I could go forever and have no
>> problem. But remove the paper and at some random time, maybe in a week
>> or month, the car would shut down. I have since replaced the coil.
>>
>> This may or may not be your problem, but you have 6 coils.
>>
>> Paul
>> 85 gas turbo
>> 87 V6
>> Long Island, NY
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Rodgers" <steve.rodgers@t...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I'm almost at the end of my tether trying to figure out this
>>> problem - and if anyone here can help me out I would really
>>
>> appreciate it.
>>
>>>
>>> I've got a 98 406 coupe - 3.0 v6 manual. great car.
>>>
>>> bought it 3 years ago, and there has been an intermittent problem
>>> which has been getting progressively worse.
>>>
>>> basically, from time to time the car will stop pumping fuel for a very
>>> small amount of time - say a few seconds. really quite violent stop -
>>> as if the fuel pump has halted. then it comes back fine.
>>> the car has had about 60 hours of diagnostics at caffyns peugeot, and
>>> they can't find any faults.
>>>
>>> it gets worse though, the problem gets more frequent - e.g. every few
>>> minutes instead of every few days. then the car just stops completely.
>>> usually when I'm driving at full-pelt down the motorway, resulting in
>>> a freewheel into the hard-shoulder.
>>>
>>> once it's stopped it will not restart - again as if the fuel pump has
>>> gone. I get the orange engine-management problem light coming on.
>>>
>>> I disconnect the battery - by removing postive terminal - alarm goes
>>> off. reconnect battery - alarm still goes off. alarm will not turn off
>>> at all now - even with key.
>>> but, the engine works again. eventually after about 10 mins the alarm
>>> will stop its noise - really very anonying.
>>>
>>> the problem is that it's an intermittent problem and that I cannot get
>>> the car to the garage whenever it does happen, and they cannot
>>> reproduce it.
>>>
>>> the ECU doesn't store any faults.
>>>
>>> could this be a faulty ECU? - that's my gut feeling.
>>> has anyone experienced or heard of anything similar to this before?
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> steve
>>
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