[Peugeot-L] Re: 406 coupe v6 intermittent problem

From: Steve Rodgers <steve.rodgers_at_ts-associates.com>
Date: 09/05/05


Onone more thing...

this is probably even more annoying than the stopping and is related as the alarm is problematic whenever I reset the battery to get going again...

it's fresh on my mind as I had to run out to check the alarm now :(

the alarm is going off at random times for mibbe 10-30 seconds. so it's parked out front, nobody tampering with it, and it's gone off 4 times today already.
sometimes it comes on when I'm driving - right before the car stops

steve

  • In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, Paul Strickland <pstrickl@s...> wrote:
    > Ken,
    >
    > Just what do you mean by this ?
    >
    > As stated in my case: The fuel was cut off by a voltage transient
    > induced into the injection ECU caused by an intermitent break down of
    > the ignition coil to the 12 volts supplying the injection ECU. After
    the
    > motor quit running, there was still perfect spark supplied but no fuel
    > to the injectors.
    >
    > After waiting for about an hour, the injection ECU would reset and
    > supply pulse to the injectors again.
    >
    > Paul
    >
    > kenneth parker wrote:
    >
    > > Certainly not diagnostically related, but are these the same kind
    > > of coils that are used in the BMW 525i?
    > > Ken
    > > On Sep 5, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Paul Strickland wrote:
    > >
    > >> Steve,
    > >>
    > >> This is a nasty problem !
    > >>
    > >> I had this same problem on an 85 N9T engine with only 1 ignition
    coil.
    > >>
    > >> It took me a few years until I just caught on to the problem.
    > >>
    > >> Same thing would happen. Car would run just fine and all of sudden
    > >> shut down. I would check for ignition and it was fine. Must be fuel
    > >> cut off. I checked all the wiring and it looked good.
    > >>
    > >> Then one time at night when the thing was running, I noticed a faint
    > >> glow from the high tension lead on the ignition coil.
    > >>
    > >> What was happening here was that the high voltage would snap over to
    > >> the primary side, the 12V input. and put a spike on the 12V. This in
    > >> turn, got into the injection ECU and cut off the fuel supply.
    > >>
    > >> I could prove this by just putting in a rolled up paper napkin
    between
    > >> the high voltage output and the 12 V. I could go forever and have no
    > >> problem. But remove the paper and at some random time, maybe in a
    week
    > >> or month, the car would shut down. I have since replaced the coil.
    > >>
    > >> This may or may not be your problem, but you have 6 coils.
    > >>
    > >> Paul
    > >> 85 gas turbo
    > >> 87 V6
    > >> Long Island, NY
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Rodgers"
    <steve.rodgers@t...>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> Hi, I'm almost at the end of my tether trying to figure out this
    > >>> problem - and if anyone here can help me out I would really
    > >>
    > >> appreciate it.
    > >>
    > >>>
    > >>> I've got a 98 406 coupe - 3.0 v6 manual. great car.
    > >>>
    > >>> bought it 3 years ago, and there has been an intermittent problem
    > >>> which has been getting progressively worse.
    > >>>
    > >>> basically, from time to time the car will stop pumping fuel for
    a very
    > >>> small amount of time - say a few seconds. really quite violent
    stop -
    > >>> as if the fuel pump has halted. then it comes back fine.
    > >>> the car has had about 60 hours of diagnostics at caffyns
    peugeot, and
    > >>> they can't find any faults.
    > >>>
    > >>> it gets worse though, the problem gets more frequent - e.g.
    every few
    > >>> minutes instead of every few days. then the car just stops
    completely.
    > >>> usually when I'm driving at full-pelt down the motorway,
    resulting in
    > >>> a freewheel into the hard-shoulder.
    > >>>
    > >>> once it's stopped it will not restart - again as if the fuel
    pump has
    > >>> gone. I get the orange engine-management problem light coming on.
    > >>>
    > >>> I disconnect the battery - by removing postive terminal - alarm goes
    > >>> off. reconnect battery - alarm still goes off. alarm will not
    turn off
    > >>> at all now - even with key.
    > >>> but, the engine works again. eventually after about 10 mins the
    alarm
    > >>> will stop its noise - really very anonying.
    > >>>
    > >>> the problem is that it's an intermittent problem and that I
    cannot get
    > >>> the car to the garage whenever it does happen, and they cannot
    > >>> reproduce it.
    > >>>
    > >>> the ECU doesn't store any faults.
    > >>>
    > >>> could this be a faulty ECU? - that's my gut feeling.
    > >>> has anyone experienced or heard of anything similar to this before?
    > >>>
    > >>> regards
    > >>>
    > >>> steve
    > >>
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