There is quite a market for older vehicle parts in the UK, as well as for
restored cars, e.g., Mark 2 Jaguars, MGBs, Morgans, Morris Minors, Triumph
Heralds, and others. LOTS of parts are available for the most popular
American cars in the US . If Peugeots had the flash, pop, or what have you
that the '49-51 Fords, '55-57 Chevys, etc have, we would be buying from a
catalogue, not from a list like this, (nothing wrong with that), but it's
kind of "mom and pop" and rather inefficient, in that it doesn't encourage
entreprenurial growth and investment. I guess this means herding and
organizing Peugeot owners is like herding cats.
I think Rob Courter in Dallas, and Brian Holm in Vermont have served us
well and I am amazed by the quick, accurate informed responses I have
gotten on my issues with my two Peugeots. I'm content with things as they
are, but there opportunities out there for these cars.
For thise in the US, Happy Thanksgiving!
Lance
and with the constantOn Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:27:22 -0600, Bernard Kaye
<eviebob@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> Peugeot AutomobilesWe have ourselves to blame:
>
> Peugeot owners were notorious for not keeping their cars in good repair:
>
> e.g., if there were four things needing repair out of warranty, dealers
> told me the owner would agree to two or three or one and take his
> chances with those he did not want to pay for.
>
> I heard this in several geographic areas. Whether it was because
> repairs were "Mercedes" in cost and Peugeot owners were not in that
> economic class and/.or other reasons, you bought a used Peugeot at risk
> of buying a car not properly maintained, greater risk than we care to
> admit.
>
> If you know long-term Peugeot repair people, talk to them; it is not
> difficult to pull it out if you loosen their tongues.
>
> Bernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:32 AM
> Subject: [Peugeot-L] Digest Number 3332
>
>
> Peugeot Automobiles
> Messages In This Digest (8 Messages)
> 1a. Re: 504 on eBay From: Senen Racki
> 1b. Re: 504 on eBay From: Ruggeri, Robert
> 1c. clinging stage From: Lance
> 2. 505 Door light questions From: alan 505
> 3a. Re: 407 coupe spotted From: peugeotvoittaja
> 3b. Re: 407 coupe spotted From: p404c
> 4a. Re: fuel mileage From: A
> 5a. Re: blow by From: Steven Harris
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> 1a. Re: 504 on eBay
> Posted by: "Senen Racki" Senen@racki.ca senen71
> Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:58 am (PST)
> I too watched this auction closely. We have a nice 504D of the same
> year and I share the feeling that these cars deserve a higher
> valuation.
> If you set aside the fact that is a Peugeot and instead look at what
> you get - a 2.3L diesel 4-door sedan that rides like nothing on the
> market today, then you begin to respect it more. For some reason,
> it's
> the name "Peugeot" that keeps the prices down. Sure, there's no ABS
> and
> no airbags, but technology enhancements aside, this car is a very
> safe
> vehicle to be driving even today. At a touch under $6k + the cost of
> AC
> repair, I think the selling price was fair. With proper care, this
> car
> could probably outlive an entry level family sedan costing 4x as
> much.
>
> What's surprising to me is that unlike many other orphaned makes in
> North America, Peugeot fans haven't moved past the "clinging" stage.
> By
> that I mean that we are still sharing info with each other and
> trying to
> keep these car alive with existing resources, while with other
> orphaned
> makes businesses have sprung up to provide support by way of
> remanufactured parts, cross referenced parts, performance add-ons,
> etc.
> As an example, I've owned a '71 Opel GT since 1978. The period
> through the 80's and early 90's was extremely difficult. GM parts
> supply dried up, or was simply dumped. Cars were disappearing rapidly
> as people just drove them into the ground and generally didn't
> respect
> them or care for them to the extent they perhaps should have. Then
> the
> Internet came along and brought the dedicated enthusiasts together,
> businesses started up, rare parts were manufactured in batch
> production
> runs, performance improvements were not only discussed, tested, and
> proven, but the 3rd party businesses actually began to sell them as
> kits. The result is a thriving community in which this particular
> mark
> is now easier to own than it was 20 years ago. (check out
> http://www.opelgt.com if you're interested). FIAT, Alfa, Merkur -
> they
> have similar support channels.
>
> Maybe it's the difference between sports cars and average family
> sedan?
> Owner's reluctance to spend money on a car whose market value is so
> low?
> I don't know. It's a very strange dynamic in the Peugeot community -
> at least here in NA. What IS good about the current state of affairs
> is
> that those who know the value (as a vehicle, not monetary investment)
> can usually end up with a sweet deal if they are patient and look
> hard
> enough.
>
> Senen.
>
> Ruggeri, Robert wrote:
> > I dunno; AC not working.
> > I have a 75 sedan in nice shape so I'm glad to see the price take
> > off.......
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Harris
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:38 PM
> > To: Lance; Peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] 504 on eBay
> >
> >
> >
> > And well worth every single penny! Just wish I could afford
> > it....
> >
> > Lance <lanceto@netineti.clearwire.net
> > <mailto:lanceto%40netineti.clearwire.net> > wrote: Look at the
> price!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%3
> > DWatching&viewitem=&item=110193306340&_trksid=p3907.m32
> >
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%
> > 3DWatching&viewitem=&item=110193306340&_trksid=p3907.m32>
> >
> > --
> > Lance
>
>
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> 1b. Re: 504 on eBay
> Posted by: "Ruggeri, Robert" Robert.Ruggeri@suny.edu madfret1
> Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:19 am (PST)
> All well said, and I,too, am glad to see price escalation, but $6k
> plus
> another grand for AC repair (I've had several Peugeot AC's repaired)
> is
> pretty steep for a non-concourse 504. But, in some circuitous
> reasoning, if that's becoming the market price, then it is indeed
> fair.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Senen Racki
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:58 AM
> To: Peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] 504 on eBay
>
>
>
> I too watched this auction closely. We have a nice 504D of the
> same
> year and I share the feeling that these cars deserve a higher
> valuation.
> If you set aside the fact that is a Peugeot and instead look at
> what
> you get - a 2.3L diesel 4-door sedan that rides like nothing on
> the
> market today, then you begin to respect it more. For some
> reason, it's
> the name "Peugeot" that keeps the prices down. Sure, there's no
> ABS and
> no airbags, but technology enhancements aside, this car is a
> very safe
> vehicle to be driving even today. At a touch under $6k + the
> cost of AC
> repair, I think the selling price was fair. With proper care,
> this car
> could probably outlive an entry level family sedan costing 4x as
> much.
>
> What's surprising to me is that unlike many other orphaned makes
> in
> North America, Peugeot fans haven't moved past the "clinging"
> stage. By
> that I mean that we are still sharing info with each other and
> trying to
> keep these car alive with existing resources, while with other
> orphaned
> makes businesses have sprung up to provide support by way of
> remanufactured parts, cross referenced parts, performance
> add-ons, etc.
> As an example, I've owned a '71 Opel GT since 1978. The period
> through the 80's and early 90's was extremely difficult. GM
> parts
> supply dried up, or was simply dumped. Cars were disappearing
> rapidly
> as people just drove them into the ground and generally didn't
> respect
> them or care for them to the extent they perhaps should have.
> Then the
> Internet came along and brought the dedicated enthusiasts
> together,
> businesses started up, rare parts were manufactured in batch
> production
> runs, performance improvements were not only discussed, tested,
> and
> proven, but the 3rd party businesses actually began to sell them
> as
> kits. The result is a thriving community in which this
> particular mark
> is now easier to own than it was 20 years ago. (check out
> http://www.opelgt.com <http://www.opelgt.com> if you're
> interested). FIAT, Alfa, Merkur - they
> have similar support channels.
>
> Maybe it's the difference between sports cars and average family
> sedan?
> Owner's reluctance to spend money on a car whose market value is
> so low?
> I don't know. It's a very strange dynamic in the Peugeot
> community -
> at least here in NA. What IS good about the current state of
> affairs is
> that those who know the value (as a vehicle, not monetary
> investment)
> can usually end up with a sweet deal if they are patient and
> look hard
> enough.
>
> Senen.
>
> Ruggeri, Robert wrote:
> > I dunno; AC not working.
> > I have a 75 sedan in nice shape so I'm glad to see the price
> take
> > off.......
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:peugeot-L%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:peugeot-L%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Steven Harris
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:38 PM
> > To: Lance; Peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Peugeot-L%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] 504 on eBay
> >
> >
> >
> > And well worth every single penny! Just wish I could afford
> > it....
> >
> > Lance <lanceto@netineti.clearwire.net
> <mailto:lanceto%40netineti.clearwire.net>
> > <mailto:lanceto%40netineti.clearwire.net> > wrote: Look at the
> price!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%3
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%
> 3>
> > DWatching&viewitem=&item=110193306340&_trksid=p3907.m32
> >
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%
> >
> > 3DWatching&viewitem=&item=110193306340&_trksid=p3907.m32>
> >
> > --
> > Lance
>
>
>
>
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> 1c. clinging stage
> Posted by: "Lance" lanceto@netineti.clearwire.net ljduchesneau
> Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:15 pm (PST)
> I think we cling because the market has a natural antipathy towards
> all
> things French
> particularly the cars, there is also some fear of the market for the
> parts
> and services not
> being sufficient to sustain a business. The French allofness is part
> of
> OUR personality, and we would rather remain the outcasts of the
> automotive
> world. It is the owners who start such endeavours, and we are an
> aloof lot who would sometimes rather not mingle with the huddled
> masses
> who drive '55-'57 Chevys, '49-'51 Fords, etc,and many might just
> prefer to
> plod along like this rather than be more mainstream in our ways of
> acquiring supplies.
>
> At least 505 owners can get a synthetic nanofiber AMSOIL oil filter,
> like
> I have on my 505s. 98.7% efficiency at 15 microns.
>
> Lance
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:58:04 -0600, Senen Racki <Senen@racki.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I too watched this auction closely. We have a nice 504D of the same
> > year and I share the feeling that these cars deserve a higher
> valuation.
> > If you set aside the fact that is a Peugeot and instead look at
> what
> > you get - a 2.3L diesel 4-door sedan that rides like nothing on the
> > market today, then you begin to respect it more. For some reason,
> it's
> > the name "Peugeot" that keeps the prices down. Sure, there's no
> ABS and
> > no airbags, but technology enhancements aside, this car is a very
> safe
> > vehicle to be driving even today. At a touch under $6k + the cost
> of AC
> > repair, I think the selling price was fair. With proper care, this
> car
> > could probably outlive an entry level family sedan costing 4x as
> much.
> >
> > What's surprising to me is that unlike many other orphaned makes in
> > North America, Peugeot fans haven't moved past the "clinging"
> stage. By
> > that I mean that we are still sharing info with each other and
> trying to
> > keep these car alive with existing resources, while with other
> orphaned
> > makes businesses have sprung up to provide support by way of
> > remanufactured parts, cross referenced parts, performance add-ons,
> etc.
> > As an example, I've owned a '71 Opel GT since 1978. The period
> > through the 80's and early 90's was extremely difficult. GM parts
> > supply dried up, or was simply dumped. Cars were disappearing
> rapidly
> > as people just drove them into the ground and generally didn't
> respect
> > them or care for them to the extent they perhaps should have. Then
> the
> > Internet came along and brought the dedicated enthusiasts together,
> > businesses started up, rare parts were manufactured in batch
> production
> > runs, performance improvements were not only discussed, tested, and
> > proven, but the 3rd party businesses actually began to sell them as
> > kits. The result is a thriving community in which this particular
> mark
> > is now easier to own than it was 20 years ago. (check out
> > http://www.opelgt.com if you're interested). FIAT, Alfa, Merkur -
> they
> > have similar support channels.
> >
> > Maybe it's the difference between sports cars and average family
> sedan?
> > Owner's reluctance to spend money on a car whose market value is
> so low?
> > I don't know. It's a very strange dynamic in the Peugeot community
> -
> > at least here in NA. What IS good about the current state of
> affairs is
> > that those who know the value (as a vehicle, not monetary
> investment)
> > can usually end up with a sweet deal if they are patient and look
> hard
> > enough.
> >
> > Senen.
> >
> >
> > Ruggeri, Robert wrote:
> >> I dunno; AC not working.
> >> I have a 75 sedan in nice shape so I'm glad to see the price take
> >> off.......
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Harris
> >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:38 PM
> >> To: Lance; Peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] 504 on eBay
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And well worth every single penny! Just wish I could afford
> >> it....
> >>
> >> Lance <lanceto@netineti.clearwire.net
> >> <mailto:lanceto%40netineti.clearwire.net> > wrote: Look at the
> price!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%3
> >> DWatching&viewitem=&item=110193306340&_trksid=p3907.m32
> >>
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%
> >> 3DWatching&viewitem=&item=110193306340&_trksid=p3907.m32>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Lance
>
> --
> Lance
>
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> 2. 505 Door light questions
> Posted by: "alan 505" alan5o5@hotmail.com alan5o5
> Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:31 am (PST)
>
> I've been working on tracing the cause of my battery drain and have
> a few questions.
>
> While inspecting and cleaning the "door open" switches I discovered
> that the front passenger side puddle lamp did not light when its door
> was opened. Upon inspecting the door switch I found that the screw
> holding it in place was corroded. I cleaned up the switch and replaced
> the screw. Now that the screw is properly ground the door light is being
> lit when opened. I knew there was something related to the door locks or
> switches as I would intermittently hear the central locking chatter when
> all doors were shut. I guess that the ground was so weak that variations
> in Houston's humidity or temperature made a subtle difference.
>
> The question is, which doors will cause the overhead light to switch
> on?
>
> Both front doors appear to do this. The rear left door will do this
> if I ground one of its prongs to the side of the hole it fits into. (It
> has two wires terminating to one spade connector) Nothing for the rear
> right door. The rear seat overhead light is not working as its plastic
> housing is broken in several places.
>
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> 3a. Re: 407 coupe spotted
> Posted by: "peugeotvoittaja" jarvinenjp@hotmail.com peugeotvoittaja
> Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:59 am (PST)
> Someone told here earlier that year or two back someone spotted lady
> driving blue 406 Coupe at Lions Gate Bridge at Vancouver.
>
> Maybe she has changed to newer model :)
>
> Pasi from Finland (former inhabitant of Howe Street, Vancouver BC,
> same street where is the hotel where Elvis stayed).
> 405 SRI
> 309 GT
> 305 Gl
> 206 XRD
>
> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <rockfish992003@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > on the road in Vancouver B.C. Canada today... Granville street.
> >
> > I had to stop and look several times becuase it's not supposed to
> be
> > here! Had the lion on the front and everything.
> >
> > baby blue color with British Columbia front plate on it.
> >
> > How is this allowed?
> >
>
>
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> 3b. Re: 407 coupe spotted
> Posted by: "p404c" tippett@shaw.ca p404c
> Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:40 pm (PST)
> It's probably a diplomat or immigrant. It is not "allowed" under
> normal circumstances. White Rock Sports and Imports used to service a
> 406 C, which is a far better-looking car than the 407 C. It was
> imported as settler's effects, hence is legal.
>
> Mike Tippett
> 404 Coupé Injection
> Mercedes-Benz B 200 Horizon blue Metallic
> smart fortwo cdi pulse cabriolet
> 405 DL (it isn't deat, it's just resting)
>
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> 4a. Re: fuel mileage
> Posted by: "A" puppylove@swbell.net frogmobile505s
> Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:29 pm (PST)
> Since I replaced/rebuilt the pump on my '85 TD I've been tracking my
> mpg's pretty closely; I keep about 30 psi in my tires, usually drive
> about 60 to 65 mph and with a 60/40 mix, town & country, I'm seeing high
> 20's to low 30's; my odometer is now telling 82xxx miles. How sweet it
> is! J. in Saint Louie
>
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> 5a. Re: blow by
> Posted by: "Steven Harris" alternative7man@yahoo.com
> alternative7man
> Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:10 pm (PST)
> I have quite a few of these little screen pads for the XN6 breather
> if anyone needs them.
> Steven
>
> Brian Holm <peugeots@vtlink.net> wrote:
> Assuming this is an XN6 gas engine (XDs are diesels), the crankcase
> breather screens are in a can attached to the block near the
> starter. There is a screen in the cap and one in the bottom of the
> tube. If they are not too plugged they may be cleaned, otherwise
> replaced. A formed rubber hose from the top of the cap connects to
> the big rubber air boot, with a small hose teed to the intake
> manifold.
>
> If the screens are plugged you will get oil leaks and your dipstick
> may pop up.
>
> Brian Holm
> Parts for Peugeots
>
> At 11:49 PM 11/18/2007, Lance wrote:
>
> >It seems my voluminous blow-by is escaping from the dipstick tube,
> and it
> >stinks. Is there some valve not opening or something? Mist
> euro-cars don't
> >have a pcv valve, that I know of
> >
> >--
> >Lance
>
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> at Peugeot Holm, since 1969
> 2120 Maple Hill
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